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bangooface Mar 16, 2006 11:24 PM

A'PEXi N1 Exhaust System350Z
 
Anybody got Apexi n1 exhaust on? I might be interested and wanted to know if the sound is really loud. I'm pretty new about exhaust and some people in the past had told me that this exhaust is very loud (civic/integra), and may effect in driving.

Blurr350z Mar 17, 2006 01:43 PM

I have it.... no it is not the same N1 sound that civics and other cars have. It sounds very nice, not raspy/loud at all... very Z-ish.

Here's a link about my install w/ pics

https://my350z.com/forum/intake-exhaust/130583-apexi-n1-cat-back-exhaust-install-pics-video-to-come.html

nissansource Mar 17, 2006 02:02 PM

gosh its soo scary how similar i mean almost 100% same as my PIT the exhaust has the same welds and exact same design. just apex isnt polished like mine is looks like apex is doing china stuff now

Strife350z Mar 17, 2006 09:33 PM

lol nissansource... just an FYI, but your PIT is a copy of the APEXi... not the other way around

bilinghm Mar 18, 2006 08:59 AM

The PIT is a copy of the Apexi, however, it appears that it uses superior materials and is finished better.

StifflerHB Mar 18, 2006 05:49 PM

does the pit exhaust sounds like the apexi in the other thread ?

bilinghm Mar 19, 2006 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by StifflerHB
does the pit exhaust sounds like the apexi in the other thread ?


Exhaust sound is so hard to judge. All I can say is I was able to do a side by side comparison with a Nismo, and the PIT and the Nismo were very similar in tone and loudness. Maybe the PIT was slightly louder at WOT. Both sounded great, retaining the "Z" tone quality.

Blurr350z Mar 19, 2006 08:30 AM

Yeah the Z tone is not lost at all. As for the PIT replica or whatever it is, it's not the Apexi, and there has to be a reason why its so damn cheap. I mean the Apexi is cheap, but I think the PIT is something less than 200.... now that price has to throw up a flag if you ask me.

Blue_pen Mar 19, 2006 10:20 AM

I helped my friend yestereday install his N-1 and its not loud at all. I bought the hybrid megaphone and it sounds just like stock. The N-1 hand more volume but not much. I drove behind him for about 10 mintues and could hardly hear it on the road. The N-1 looks pretty sweet as well.

Ruben

bilinghm Mar 19, 2006 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Blurr350z
Yeah the Z tone is not lost at all. As for the PIT replica or whatever it is, it's not the Apexi, and there has to be a reason why its so damn cheap. I mean the Apexi is cheap, but I think the PIT is something less than 200.... now that price has to throw up a flag if you ask me.


Yeah, there's a red flag. Why do Japanese exhaust systems cost so much? Why are so many people willing to pay it? Do they make more power? Look better? Sound better? Or do they have more prestige because they are Japanese? Spend your money however you want, but don't be fooled into believing that a quality exhaust ought to cost $1,000 and up. An exhaust is a very simple device. Any muffler shop can turn one out in about an hour. There is about $20 of raw materials in a typical system. The rest is hype, hot air, silly names (Buddy Club? Do Luck?), and shipping costs.

nissansource Mar 19, 2006 02:02 PM

Honestly its pretty much the most identical exhaust from the hanger welds to the position they are in to the type of canister used.. seems to me its identical. I think they went cheap and easy and used a china mass whore manufacturing job on it. china redistributes them not under the apexi name. just my 2cents

Vamos_Rafael Mar 19, 2006 02:51 PM

why the overal muffler then it goes into 2 more mufflers at the tips?
does it not have resonator at the B-Pipe ?

bilinghm Mar 19, 2006 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by nissansource
Honestly its pretty much the most identical exhaust from the hanger welds to the position they are in to the type of canister used.. seems to me its identical. I think they went cheap and easy and used a china mass whore manufacturing job on it. china redistributes them not under the apexi name. just my 2cents


China Mass Whore!? Yikes.

The company I work for has 3 offices in China, and I'm pretty sure that whores have got nothing to do with it. I suggest you check out the shoes on your feet and the shirt on your back, not to mention your computer, your plasma TV, and a large majority of all the articles at the local Walmart. Chinese product is not cheap...it is inexpensive and excellent in quality, otherwise it wouldn't survive in our capitalistic world.:icon11:

bilinghm Mar 19, 2006 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bee Ess Pee
why the overal muffler then it goes into 2 more mufflers at the tips?
does it not have resonator at the B-Pipe ?

I believe that the large primary canister is chiefly an expansion chamber. The muffled tips do a major portion of the sound reduction. There is no resonator in the mid pipe. Instead there is a diameter increase (70mm to 80mm) that performs some of the same function as a resonator, sending a pulse wave back up the pipe. This is a good design that is very compact, and provides good sound quality at a substantial savings in weight over the stock unit (about 12 pounds less).

Blurr350z Mar 19, 2006 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by bilinghm
Yeah, there's a red flag. Why do Japanese exhaust systems cost so much? Why are so many people willing to pay it? Do they make more power? Look better? Sound better? Or do they have more prestige because they are Japanese? Spend your money however you want, but don't be fooled into believing that a quality exhaust ought to cost $1,000 and up. An exhaust is a very simple device. Any muffler shop can turn one out in about an hour. There is about $20 of raw materials in a typical system. The rest is hype, hot air, silly names (Buddy Club? Do Luck?), and shipping costs.

The Apexi N1 is not one of the systems that is highly overpriced. 589 shipped is cheap if you ask me for a quality system. Twenty dollars of raw materials? Are you kidding me? First of all, one of the reasons these parts are expensive is to cover the expense the company put in too all the research and design while the part was being created. Perfect example: crawford Z parts. They are some of the most expensive, however they produce some of the best gains, and yet they're not from Japan. Yeah some products you pay for just name (veilside, etc.), but the Apexi N1 is not one of them. On top of that, you bought an exhaust from a company that stole the design from a top brand, having put absolutely no R&D into it, and is able to rake in profit without a higher price.

When it comes down to it, you still have a knock-off exhaust system. If you don't care about that and you want to save 300 bucks, then thats awesome. I would much rather go with the real thing and not take a risk on getting screwed by a crappy product. Just look at all the ebay knock-off horror stories.

nissansource Mar 20, 2006 06:02 AM

Well whatever it is its great quality PIT that is

bilinghm Mar 20, 2006 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Blurr350z
The Apexi N1 is not one of the systems that is highly overpriced. 589 shipped is cheap if you ask me for a quality system. Twenty dollars of raw materials? Are you kidding me? First of all, one of the reasons these parts are expensive is to cover the expense the company put in too all the research and design while the part was being created. Perfect example: crawford Z parts. They are some of the most expensive, however they produce some of the best gains, and yet they're not from Japan. Yeah some products you pay for just name (veilside, etc.), but the Apexi N1 is not one of them. On top of that, you bought an exhaust from a company that stole the design from a top brand, having put absolutely no R&D into it, and is able to rake in profit without a higher price.

When it comes down to it, you still have a knock-off exhaust system. If you don't care about that and you want to save 300 bucks, then thats awesome. I would much rather go with the real thing and not take a risk on getting screwed by a crappy product. Just look at all the ebay knock-off horror stories.

I agree that Apexi makes a fine quality product at a reasonable price.

I agree that the PIT is a shameless copy of the Apexi.

The point is that the PIT a PERFECT copy, it does everything the Apexi does for half the price. Plus it is full stainless, beautifully finished, etc. Do I like it? Very much. Are some people happier if they pay more for a brand name? Appearently so.

If you go to Asia, you can see Nike shoes and Walmart no-name shoes being manufactured side by side in the same factories. You get the point. Are unknown brands a risk? Well sometimes. But PIT shipped me the exhaust with a no questions money back guarantee, If I wasn't pleased, they would arrange to have UPS come and pick it back up and fully refund my complete purchase price. Why would they do this? I guess that they weren't very concerned that I would send it back.

nissansource Mar 20, 2006 08:13 AM

Ill still be putting on my PIT to test with the turbo

jinsei888 Mar 20, 2006 08:16 AM

if it's like their coilovers, then these must be the same as the Megan exhaust (if there is such a thing)

cracka350z Mar 20, 2006 08:50 AM

i love my apexi....maybe i payed for the name...but who cares...i got a quality product for the price. plus..i guess id rather have a brand name product with the R&D and how long they have been around...its all personal preference...


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