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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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Even if your "multi-factory shootout" is correct- roadsters are the same car as the coupe(excluding the nismo),with like I said some extra weight for the vert hardware. Why would say a s-2000 vs a 350 coupe be any different than the same shootout with the roadster???? Go figure..
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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To be fair, I haven't seen any direct coupe-vs-vert comparisons. I was talking about multi-manufacturer coupe shootouts (in which the 350z usually ends up being widely liked) and multi-manufacturer roadster shootouts (in which the 350z usually ends up being disliked). Here are some examples.

Coupe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41GWmcMK7jc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C96eTL4eghw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SntY4qLd0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQkhmAkaoY

Roadster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BckIIwNhdBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t96uOZPkhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIcqiXjI6WQ

The last Coupe link is not a comparo but an isolated test of the 07 Coupe. It does, however, show just how much the car is liked by the Fifth Gear team. Vicki declared it to be one of the best cars ever made. The last Roadster link is from a shootout that was aired a little after the 07 Coupe review, and I was pretty surprised to see how much the tides turned when the car went from coupe to roadster form.

These reviews are by no means exhaustive. I am sure you could find coupe comparisons where the 350z fared poorly, and you could probably find roadster shootouts that the Z won. You could also argue that there doesn't exist any direct coupe-vs-roadster comparison test.

However, the general picture that I personally built up from watching/reading a bunch of reviews and shootouts was that the coupe was universally liked when compared against its peers (Audi TT, Evo, STi, Stang GT) , while the roadster was generally disliked when put up against its own peers (S2K, Z4). The fact that the roadster belongs in a significantly higher price bracket probably has a lot to do with this.
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When a car is designed from the ground up to be a roadster, it tends to fair better in the structural rigidity dept then a car that was a coupe then had its roof chopped off. A coupe with an A B and C pillar that's connected to the roof provides huge amounts of rigidity over a convertible. Thats why with a clean sheet of paper, engineers employ other measures to compensate when designing a roadster.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gocart
I hope Nissan does a good job with the roadster this time. From whatever reviews/impressions I've seen or heard or read, the 350Z roadster was a heavy, rolling, cowl-shaking mess. Whatever accolades the coupe would earn in comparison tests, the roadster would negate. It gave the 350Z a bad name, esp. when compared against roadsters that were designed as convertibles from the ground up, like the S2K and BMW Z4.
So you've actually driven in a Roadster? We just had a track day in my area with a bunch of Coupes. I was the only roadster and I held my own against all of the lightly modded N/A coupes. Might want to form your own opinion based on personal experience. Otherwise you come off as a coupe fanboy.

FYI the 350Z was designed to support both coupe and vert platforms from the get-go. Look it up.

Also last time I checked the VQ is in almost every nissan in production.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Hopefully they'll make the roadster look good this time. It looks nice with the top down, but you gotta admit it looks hideous with the roof raised.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Sorry folks, I did not intend to start a flame war.

As I mentioned explicitly in my original post, my opinions were formed not from any personal driving experience, but from reviews and shootouts I read or watched (some of which I've provided links for), so you should take them with a truckload of salt. Several reviews did seem to agree on certain common issues like weight, cowl shake and lack of structural rigidity (which seem to be absent in the S2K and Z4), which seemingly detract from the driving experience of the roadster despite sharing an identical chassis and engine with the coupe. I mentioned these and hoped Nissan would address these issues for the 370 roadster. Perhaps I should have chosen my words better.

Based on the input that fellow-forumite roadster owners have provided, it appears that my concerns were unfounded and the purported issues do not qualitatively (driving feel) or quantitatively (performance) impact the roadster's character. I stand corrected.

I do hope the 370 is a better car than the 350 in every form.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by evolved326
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When a car is designed from the ground up to be a roadster, it tends to fair better in the structural rigidity dept then a car that was a coupe then had its roof chopped off. A coupe with an A B and C pillar that's connected to the roof provides huge amounts of rigidity over a convertible. Thats why with a clean sheet of paper, engineers employ other measures to compensate when designing a roadster.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Why do you think the roadster weighs 200+ more pounds? Just for ***** and giggle? Do you think the added reinforcement is NOT the reason why the roadster weighs more?

In almost every review you can find a description on why the roadster is damn near close to being as rigid as the coupe.

Structural reinforcements were made, however, to combat the loss of rigidity you normally see when you take the top off of a vehicle. These enhancements include a center floor V-shaped cross bar connecting the side sills and a front A-shaped cross bar reinforcing the front end. Additionally, the doors openings were reinforced, along with a "triple member" added to the seating area connecting the sides to the floor structure to beef up rigidity.
http://freshalloy.com/site/cars/niss...ter/home.shtml

Here's another article for the "Coupe" fanboys.

The top of a coupe is very important to its structure, and roadsters related to coupes can be disappointingly flexible, leading to inferior handling and increased interior noise and vibration. In many cases, increased bracing of the convertible's lower structure adds more weight than rigidity. Such is not the case with the 350Z. Yes, the top is gone, but careful engineering of the lower structure, with extra crossbars and reinforcement around the door frames and in the floor pan, gives it nearly as much rigidity as the coupe. Cowl shake and noticeable flex are as close as possible to nonexistent, so handling does not suffer--the wheels go where you want them.
http://reviews.cnet.com/convertible/...-31511079.html

Here's another from Motortrends. I could spend all day finding articles.

Considerable effort, in the form of extra cross-bracing and other structural enhancements, went into ensuring that the chassis was rigid enough for ragtop duty. The effort paid off, and we're impressed by the Z's solidity and lack of cowl-shake
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...50z/index.html

I hate break your hearts but your Coupe was NOT built from the ground up to be just a coupe. It was also designed from the drawing board with a vert in mind.

While the 350Z was initially designed and engineered with a convertible model in mind, the roadster still weighs a little more than its hard top sibling
- 216 pounds to be exact. This is due to extensive stiffening of the A-pillar and windshield surround, beefier rocker panels that connect at four points to a rigid X-brace, a completely new rear bulkhead and dramatically reworked rear floor construction, etc, etc.
http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Ni...road-test/985/
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by eWrex
Hopefully they'll make the roadster look good this time. It looks nice with the top down, but you gotta admit it looks hideous with the roof raised.

Many on here, myself included, think the ZR looks great with the top up. The discussion has been focused on performance of the ZR. Thanks for your worthless contribution.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DRIFT
Many on here, myself included, think the ZR looks great with the top up. The discussion has been focused on performance of the ZR. Thanks for your worthless contribution.
His other two aren't much better.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Advent7
maybe they'll make it a t-top....
That's what I was thinking. Or maybe a targa. I'd be all in if they had one of the two as an option

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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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targa would be cool-i find the currant zr has less room then the coupe-which sucks for me.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dutchboy350Z
You have no idea what you're talking about. Why do you think the roadster weighs 200+ more pounds? Just for ***** and giggle? Do you think the added reinforcement is NOT the reason why the roadster weighs more?

In almost every review you can find a description on why the roadster is damn near close to being as rigid as the coupe.



http://freshalloy.com/site/cars/niss...ter/home.shtml

Here's another article for the "Coupe" fanboys.



http://reviews.cnet.com/convertible/...-31511079.html

Here's another from Motortrends. I could spend all day finding articles.



http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...50z/index.html

I hate break your hearts but your Coupe was NOT built from the ground up to be just a coupe. It was also designed from the drawing board with a vert in mind.



http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Ni...road-test/985/
Adding 200 pounds worth of bandages is not the same as building a roadster from the ground up. Sorry dude didnt mean to offend anyone. But havent you noticed the highly praised convertables have always been true roadsters and not chopped coupes?

s2000
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Where convertible versions of successful coupes have not been appreciated

M3 convertables
35... nvm

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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by eWrex
Hopefully they'll make the roadster look good this time. It looks nice with the top down, but you gotta admit it looks hideous with the roof raised.
WRONG SH!THEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by evolved326
Adding 200 pounds worth of bandages is not the same as building a roadster from the ground up. Sorry dude didnt mean to offend anyone. But havent you noticed the highly praised convertables have always been true roadsters and not chopped coupes?

s2000
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Where convertible versions of successful coupes have not been appreciated

M3 convertables
35... nvm
Sorry I'm not 5'5" and I don't weigh a buck twenty. I like to be able to get in and out of my roadster without getting a hernia.

Are those the best two examples you have?

I'll take a M3 vert over a miata any day of the week.

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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Just found the anser to my question;

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._370z_car_news


2010 Nissan 370Z - Car News

Shorter, wider, lighter, and more powerful Z in the works.
BY ALISA PRIDDLE, PHOTOGRAPHY BY TOM DREW AND THE MANUFACTURER
May 2008


The lighter and more powerful Nissan 370Z coupe and roadster could take its first formal bows in January at the 2009 North American International Auto Show prior to going on sale in the fall of 2009.

That is not to say Nissan can’t jump the gun and opt to unveil the new sports car this November at the 2008 L.A. auto show. Either way, the car is being designed as a formidable placeholder below the hot Nissan GT-R, while still leaving room for an affordable front-wheel-drive car positioned below the Z.

The big news, as evidenced by the name change from 350Z to 370Z, is the 3.7-liter V-6 that goes under the hood. The bigger engine, which produces 330 horsepower and 270 pound-feet of torque in the Infiniti G37, will power a new Z that is lighter than the one it replaces—a perfect recipe for fun. Icing on the cake is speculation it may borrow the seven-speed, dual-clutch transmission from the GT-R.

“Both performance and design are much more sporty,” is how Shiro Nakamura, Nissan senior vice president and chief creative officer, describes the 2010 370Z for us. The design of the second-generation roadster represents a “super evolution,” the design chief says in a recent interview. The expectation is that the new Z is wider and shorter.

While the original Z rode on Nissan’s FM (for front midship) platform, the 2010 370Z rides on the new E platform that encompasses former FM vehicles as well as some international vehicles on the FR-L architecture, which denotes “Front-engine, Rear-drive, and Large”—all part of Nissan’s platform consolidation efforts. The 370Z will share the E platform with much of the Infiniti lineup including the FX, EX, M, and G coupe and sedan.

Meanwhile, Nissan officials say they still are interested in a more entry-level, small, front-wheel-drive sports car for the brand, but not immediately. The automaker does not want to take the spotlight away from the launch of the new Z and is dealing with a full portfolio right now, says Larry Dominique, Nissan North America vice president in charge of product planning and strategy. But something that takes cues from the Nissan Urge concept—it would compete with the Mazda MX-5 Miata, Pontiac Solstice, and Saturn Sky—is expected in a few years.

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