the more i look at it im not sure thats a different lip in that first pic. im not sure what that is showing

Hey, back to the Nismo part list, what is that item in the lower right hand section of the page???? I can't make it out.....

If you click "buying 370z" all the way to the bottom says

"The price of the Z34 Fairlady Z/370Z is expected to be between 3,700,000 - 4,700,000 yen for the V6 models and over 5,000,000 yen for the G-nose V8 high performance version"

V8 hight performance version????

Best car interviewed Z34 Chief of Production Shinjiro Yukawa last month and he confirmed that a V8 could see the light of day in a special edition model. Yukawa mentioned he wanted to “raise the performance of the new Z” while also acknowledging the Porsche Cayman S as being the Z34’s primary contender when it hits showrooms in December this year. The Z34 will of course be powered by a VQ37HVR engine from the V36 Skyline Coupe as we mentioned in our last update, only this time power is said to be slightly lower at 340ps but with the same 38.5kg/m torque. That shouldn’t matter though as the Z34 is rumored to weigh up to 100kg less than the Z33 350Z which should give it a useful boost in performance over the current model. A 6-speed manual and 7-speed “manual mode” automatic transmissions are still on the agenda.


what yall think about???

I doubt that will happen. In 38 years, the Z car has never had more or less than 6 cylinders.

id rather see low compression and 2 snails for a special edition....

Umm, no. Considering registration fees to the DMV are based on vehicle weight, I doubt Nissan BSes their ratings. Curb weight and gross vehicle weight are what they are. Nissan does NOT publish weight figures by pulling them out of thin air. :rolleyes:

The only area I can see that would allow for discrepancies is whether or not the vehicle is weighed dry, wet, wet with a half tank etc...

My registration paper and title of car says it weighs 3254lbs. I got practically the same weight when weighing my car. =)

Publishing weights to the DMV, etc. still doesn't stop Nissan from stating BS numbers; Nissan can publish/submit one weight in press releases freely, but can officially declare another weight to the government and such. More recently, another car was found in the same dilemma, and a car magazine noticed that the weight published for the car and the weight they got from their own test had a discrepancy of 80lbs. I'll try to find that link for you if I can remember what car review it was.

Yeah, the post date for that is around June. There where some discussions here that some people couldn't handle and they got heated for no reason. Basically it makes sense to go ahead with the V8 (performance, market positioning), but no one would blame Nissan for not doing it for other reasons (CAFE, production costs, tradition). It really bothers me that the most powerful car built on the new FM platform is the FX50, which is pitched as being built on a sports car chasis. Really our car is a sports car built on a CUV platform and we get shafted their best motor (not really, but yeah).

The V8 Z will probably be what the 380RS was, a limited run of 300 cars exclusive to Japan.

I think the first pic shows a piece of plastic that sticks to the top of the air dam and the second pic is the lip.


I think the nismo body kit is kind of freaky looking. Hopefully the other companies bring out more simple designs.

This is all starting to make more sense now. When I saw the increase in weight over the years for the Z33 I was quite surprised. 150+ lbs is alot and for the 07+ to gain that much from +03 using the same chassis I found weird. Especially since the base didn't really gain that much in features so I had no idea where that weight came from. The HR couldn't have been that much heavier since it even has a composite intake manifold now.

But from a marketing stand point it makes perfect sense. Slightly increase weight to cover the weight of the 370Z to make it look like a weight loss and since the HR got a bump in HP so people won't mind.

Celldude: Exactly. In reality, the 370Z won't be much/if at all lighter than the 350Z. But it sure as hell will be faster. =P

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I lol'd at that big-a$$ front lip...:icon18:

I do think the back looks sick!

That front lip is a multi-use lip. It'll clean snow if you're driving through snow in the winter.:icon17:





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Yeah, and no one thought the M3 would come with anything other than an in-line 6.

Now we have 414bhp V8 ;-)

I think a 400 hp V8 is not out of the question... I hope it's not japan only. But then the car would need AWD to get any traction..

When the specs come out, let's keep an eye on gearing. I think that will be key to any serious improvements in acceleration time - IMO

You don't need AWD to get traction from a 400bhp car. :icon8:

You make an excellent point. I guess I'm just hoping they don't, because I probably couldn't afford one with a V8. :icon38:

I don't get your theory when they lopped off a chunk of the chassis. What would make the 370Z not weigh less? People are saying the engine is bigger but how is it larger or heavier? They just changed the bore and stroke of the vq35hr in the 350Z engine.

Excellent point. The engine could not weight THAT much more, the upgraded interior could not weight THAT much more.... Also the doors and hatch are made of the new composite that makes them lighter than the Z33.

I am still a bit dumbfounded by the weight..... We will see.

First, you seem to be missing the official weight numbers for the 370Z posted in the brochure. My theory makes sense because we've now discovered that the 370 doesn't weigh less than the 350Z. And as for how could it not weigh less? Take a look at that interior, quality of materials definitely looks better than our current cars now - much of it seems ripped right out of the Maxima and G35. Furthermore, a 4 inch cut from the chassis doesn't guarantee a weight loss. We don't know what kind of suspension components Nissan is using for the 370Z, which often add a lot of weight, in addition to a whole bunch of other, specifically the sound deadening.

Actually, I think the new transmission is going to add some weight. Just guessing. But we will see when the U.S. specs come out. I see people are referring to the chart. Where is it?

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Still a good improvement over the current base when you consider the additional power.

Power to weight, assuming the 370Z will have approximately 335hp and the 350Z 306hp.

350Z: 306 hp/3,339 lbs = .0916
370Z: 335 hp/3,256 lbs = .1029
Porsche Cayman S (manual, auto weighs more): 295 hp /2976 lbs = .0999

Or you could look at it by the amount of weight per horsepower.

350Z: 10.911
370Z: 9.719
Cayman S: 10.088

Here is a list of most power to weight ratios.

http://www.aspecpro.com/browse.php?car=Porsche

The difference being that while the M3 is most known for having an I6, it started out with a 4 cylinder. The Z has NEVER had anything other 6 cylinders.

I'm not saying that Nissan won't change that formula in the future, I'm just saying your example is flawed.

I think your missing the point. On Nissans site the LIGHTEST model 2008 350Z comes in at an official 3320lbs, thats a base and manual tranny car. If Nissan lists the 2009 370Z at 3260lbs for the base model then the car IS lighter. Its not accurate to compare the 2009 370Z to a 2003 350Z because they are not consecutive model years. The 2008 350Z is a better performing car with a number of updates over the 2003 350Z, the 370Z is going to be lighter,more powerful, and updated car over the 2008 350Z. So yes the new Z is lighter and more powerful then the outgoing model.

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Dear Nissan, I will sell my soul to all things Nismo for a V8. Please listen.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. How could the current base weigh 3300+lbs when a stock Enthusiast 07 was weighed by a forum member at less than 3250lbs? Again, my 06 Touring weighed in at almost exactly 3250lb stock (full tank), and after all of my mods now weighs less than 3200lbs. Base model 06s, 07s, and 08s still weigh close 3200lbs despite what Nissan says. Us numerous owners who have weighed the cars independently have proven this.

Read the post above. I'm not comparing only 2003s. This holds applicable to 2006+, as well. The weights have not changed between the 03-05, 06, and 07-08s as much as people think. The only truly heavy Z out there is the 07+ Nismo Z, which DOES weigh in at 3330lbs and is also made evident by its lower trap-speeds, but that's due to a variety of new suspension components and body pieces added to the car that have given it an extra 100lbs.

Edit: Take it from someone who is in the marketing world...this seems to be Nissan's angle. They haven't dropped much, if any weight off the car. They saturated numbers for the later 350Zs, and will be using that to their advantage with the 370Z.

I get what you are saying. But at this point we can only compare what we know. Until someone actually weighs a 370Z like they have a 350Z what you are assuming can be considered speculation.

To me the only way you can truly compare is by taking the two weights given in the specs by Nissan or the two weights given by actually weighing the two cars, not mix and match.

Am I correct that you are assuming Nissan over estimated the spec weights in the 350Z but NOT the 370Z? One could then speculate Nissan over estimated the spec weight in both the 350Z and the 370Z. Again, who knows until you actually weigh the 370Z. Well, until the same source weighs the two cars, not different people under different conditions, etc.

I too am in the marketing world on a daily basis, and have gone to school for a marketing degree. I can assure you that gaining a little weight is prominent in virtually all production vehicles from year to year. Things are usually added not taken away to a car during its production cycle. All 350Zs are pretty close in weight but they did gradually get a little heavier each year, the 370Z appears to and should be a little lighter and more powerful then the most recently built 350Zs. What are you complaining about?!

Compare the weights on a 1984 300ZX(Z31) to a 1989 300ZX(Z31), the 1989 model weighs noticeably more.

Compare the weights on a 1990 300ZX(Z32) to a 1996 300ZX(Z32), the 1996 model weighs noticeably more.

Why? Because cars are more likely to have additions then subtractions from a design/production team during their production cycle. When Nissan released the Z32 in 1989 it was easily heavier then the Z31 but they improved on the chassis/suspension/engine/interior/quality and gave it more power. End result? The car out performed the Z31 in EVERY way stock vs. stock....even with the added weight. The point? The 370Z is a new model, even at even weights it should out shine the 350Z in every category, and I'm betting its going to be lighter given the reports we've gotten. Not many manufacturers today are reducing weight on their new models...gotta give credit to Nissan.

No, don't try any of that logic or philosophy on Arnold, newtkindred. Arnold is in marketing and knows EXACTLY what Nissan has been up to these past few years and has their "strategies" all figured out.

I think there is a little "marketing" spin going on within this forum to discredit the 370Z actually being a substantial improvement over the 350Z.

You have a point and are absolutely correct, it's also my current question...will the independent weight results match up what Nissan will eventually publish and announce? I guess it's time to wait and see.

Wow. Give it up to Mr. Obvious. No crap that cars gain some weight between model years...the difference is that the 350Z did not gain over 100lbs between an 05 and 06+ model. The weight difference is closer to about 30lbs.

And who's complaining? I'm happy that Nissan isn't douching the specs of the 370Z and is giving us a powerful car. I may not be ecstatic about its looks, but I'm not taking anything away from its performance.

And you can kindly take that sarcastic follow-up reply of yours and shove it.

Stop being an :icon23: dude.

Right...because I'm the one who resorted to sarcasm and an acerbic tone in my posts. The only one being an ass is RedBeauty.

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How does that work? You just push in the clutch and downshift and let the clutch out without blipping the throttle? Or do you need to blip the throttle and when you do so it automatically rev matches? Either way this is way cool.

The text is pixelated so it's hard to make it out, but it looks like it says that when you disengage the clutch to downshift and begin to select the lower gear, the ECU calculates the revs needed to match the shift and automatically blips the throttle the right amount.

If you match this system with a Ikeya sequential shifter, it could be pretty damn cool.

Hmm... I'm not quite comfortable with the automatic throttle blipping. I'm so accustomed to blipping the throttle when downshifting that this feature is going to throw off my rhythm. :dunno:

Agreed. After years on the track, blipping is just an automatic reflex, now. I also don't see how it can keep up with a good (fast-shifting) driver that knows their way around a manual tranny - maybe in slower day-to-day driving, but then, what's the point? I hope it can be disabled in case it doesn't work well. That could be a real nightmare... Coming to a turn, hard on the brakes, and a little extra mis-match could mean big traction issues, right when balanced on the edge.

They have a button to turn auto blipping off. According to the article, it will rev match perfectly every time, so if it works, it will be better than heel-toeing (but I'm sure you guys rev match perfectly each and every time, right? :p)

The 03-05 Base Car had a few less options that easily account for the Weight difference;

Starting in 2006, the new base model had as standard;

HID Headlights (More Weight for the Projector and Balasts)
18" Wheels instead of 17" (More Weight all around)
VQ35HR Motor (Which had a small weight difference)
Larger Stock brakes. (Again, more metal)

I rev match perfectly most of the time, but definitely not all the time. ;) I just can't see how the rev matching can account for sudden speed differences, such as when breaking hard into a corner. The system blipped as if you were going 60, then all of a sudden, you're at 35 going into the corner.

Sure, for day to day operations, the changes aren't as abrupt. But when you're charging down into a turn, and standing on the breaks, I don't see how the blipping can keep up, mainly due to engine and flywheel inertia, not through fault of it's own.

Can you post a link to the "article" you've referenced above? I haven't seen any official information about it and would like to read up on it. And as long as it can be turned off, I'm all for it. It's just a little bit of ecu programming... all the sensors, actuators and such are already there, except for the gearbox sensors to know which gear you're going in to...

No.

1) HIDs became standard for all 2004 models. In fact, I believe half way into 2003, even base models got HIDs standard. The projectors were made larger for 2006, but that's another negligible increase in weight.
2) Original 18s and 17s weigh the same with tires. In fact, the 17'' rim alone weighed more than 18'' one. And the 5-spoke 18s that we have now are a good deal lighter than the rims before.
3) VQ35HR came in 2007 and weighed less. Fail again.
4) There's a minute difference in terms of rotor size, which is the front rotors only. At most a pound of weight.

The only additions made to the 06+ Zs are steering wheel controls (nothing but wires and a few plastic buttons that amount to a 1lb at most).

Cup-holders in the door panels...hollow plastic, probably didn't gain anything.

Knee pad cushion...a few ounces.

Some interior pieces different.

There IS a weight difference between 03-05 350Zs and 06+, and from my research it's about 30-40lbs total (04 350Z owner weighed his Touring at 3210). Plus, much to the dismay of 6MT elitists, Nissan lists the 5AT Tourings as weighing 20lbs less than the 6-speeds -- but I have a hard time believing that considering all other years the AT weighs 20lbs more.

As far as the auto rev-matching thing, the second button on the left side of the shift gate is probably what disengages it.

I for one think the auto rev matching is pretty cool indeed. I know I don't always match perfectly and it will help alot when you run into lots of traffic. At least they give you an option to turn it off. If it actually works really well then its a win-win in my book giving people the option. Only downside you can't you the clutch to slow down in auto mode.

It should be able to it pretty easily by calculating the rate of deceleration and seeing the current engine revs. If we can modulate it with our right foot during heel-toe, the ECU could easily bump up the revs and hold it at the right revs until we reengage the clutch.

I read the Japanese article in the scans. (well, tried my best to make it out but the words are heavily pixelated and hard to read)