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sry110 Sep 9, 2010 09:25 AM

LE/CE28n's w/ Spacers
 
I have a set of CE28n's, 19x9.5 +22 front, 19x10.5+22 rear, mounted on my 2006 Z with OEM studs. I want to add 10mm spacers to the rears. The spacers are hub centric, but do not have built-in studs, so I would be using the OEM studs.

The question is: Have any other LE or CE28n owners out there with the same wheel size and offset run the same setup w/ 10mm spacers? If so, were you able to use the OEM studs (i.e. did they allow sufficient thread engagement into the lug nuts), or did you have to replace the OEM studs with longer ones?

And if had to replace the studs with longer ones, which ones did you get, and did they require you to use open-ended lug nuts due to the increased length of the stud (accounting for the 10mm eaten up by the spacer)?


[FYI, the root problem is that when I tried to use a 10mm spacer with built-in studs, the OEM studs protruded through the spacer and the offset hole pattern in the CE28 wheel would not allow the OEM studs to pass through. So the only options are a wider spacer to essentially swallow up the OEM studs, or use a spacer without built in studs]

Toby-22 Sep 9, 2010 10:18 AM

for a 10mm slip on spacer you would need extended studs no questions asked. Anything over 5mm is risky with oem studs.

sry110 Sep 9, 2010 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Toby-22 (Post 8646822)
for a 10mm slip on spacer you would need extended studs no questions asked. Anything over 5mm is risky with oem studs.

Thanks for the confirmation. That was my gut feeling, but I wanted to see if anyone had a good answer before going through the effort of taking a wheel off and measuring.

Did you have to do that for your TE37's? If so, how thick of a spacer did you use, which extended studs did you use (brand and length), and was the stud protrusion short enough to use closed-ended lug nuts?

scotts300 Sep 9, 2010 11:16 AM

It's not a matter of what type/size/offset wheel you have. As Toby said, a 5mm spacer only allows 5-6 turns of the lugnut, which is already pushing it. I did a test fit of a set of wheels with 8mm slip-on spacers, and I only got like 3 turns of the lugnut - not good.

What size tires are you running? A 10.5" +22 is a fantastic offset for a rear wheel. I'd think a 5mm spacer would be plenty if you have a standard size tire. In my experience, you can only fit a 295 on that wheel (with that offset) without rubbing. Our 19x10.5 +23 rubbed (without fender rolling (wife's Z)), but it worked with a +28 offset. She runs a 285 now, with a 19x10.5 (net) +23 (the net +18 rubbed on big dips).

BoomerZ33 Sep 9, 2010 12:28 PM

I would recommend you get ARP extended studs as opposed to using hubcentrics. They're good quality and very durable. I have +18 offset in my rear with 15mm spacers and everything fits just fine. With your wheel setup you should have no issues with these studs

optimus350z Sep 9, 2010 12:30 PM

Boomer what was your original offsets on your work wheels.

optimus350z Sep 9, 2010 12:31 PM

Sorry Boomer I meant your volks.

BoomerZ33 Sep 9, 2010 12:36 PM

F:+20
r:+18

sry110 Sep 9, 2010 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by scotts300 (Post 8646960)
It's not a matter of what type/size/offset wheel you have. As Toby said, a 5mm spacer only allows 5-6 turns of the lugnut, which is already pushing it. I did a test fit of a set of wheels with 8mm slip-on spacers, and I only got like 3 turns of the lugnut - not good.

What size tires are you running? A 10.5" +22 is a fantastic offset for a rear wheel. I'd think a 5mm spacer would be plenty if you have a standard size tire. In my experience, you can only fit a 295 on that wheel (with that offset) without rubbing. Our 19x10.5 +23 rubbed (without fender rolling (wife's Z)), but it worked with a +28 offset. She runs a 285 now, with a 19x10.5 (net) +23 (the net +18 rubbed on big dips).

I agree type/size/offset does not necessarily matter - I only offered that because I think that the thickness of the wheel center where the holes are drilled could be different from wheel to wheel, and that thickness would factor into how much of the stud protrudes through the hole. So I was really asking a specific question regarding the particular type/size/offset wheels that I have. (Correct me if I am making a bad assumption here)

The 10.5 +22 is nice, but based on the amount I am lowered (mild drop on Hotchkis springs) and amount of camber (barely within OEM specs due to springs settling), the top of the tire tucks into the fender more than I would like it to (by tucking, I mean when I look from the front of the car toward the rear, the top of the tire disappears into the fender toward the center of the car more than I prefer). I think a net +12 offset will give me the appearance I want.

The rear tires are Toyo T1R 285/35/19. I had to roll my fenders to keep from rubbing. I don't remember how wide the fender lip is, but I think it will be close when I put on the 10mm spacer. Plan is to test fit the spacer with the OEM studs and the nuts just snugged in place, lower th car down and see if there will be any rubbing. If not, I'll go the longer stud route. If so, I might explore 5mm spacers instead.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 07:31 AM

In lieu of starting a separate thread:
Is anyone running a 285/35/19 tire on a +12 offset wheel with camber within OEM specs and rolled (not cut) fenders? Does the tire fit without rubbing? Or would I need to run more camber or go with a 275/35/19 tire?

terrasmak Sep 14, 2010 09:34 AM

Ichiba V1 spacer and it comes with the required studs. Any man can install the extended studs, very simple.

Voboy Sep 14, 2010 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by sry110 (Post 8656667)
In lieu of starting a separate thread:
Is anyone running a 285/35/19 tire on a +12 offset wheel with camber within OEM specs and rolled (not cut) fenders? Does the tire fit without rubbing? Or would I need to run more camber or go with a 275/35/19 tire?

it will rub unless you do as stated.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by terrasmak (Post 8657036)
Ichiba V1 spacer and it comes with the required studs. Any man can install the extended studs, very simple.

That's not the question.The original question was whether or not I could use the OEM studs with a 10mm spacer. That question was answered.

The new question is, can I run 285/35/19 tires on a +12 offset wheel with rolled fenders and within OEM camber setting without having the tire rub. I am asking this question now because, even if I am man enough, it will still take me a good amount of time to replace the studs and I don't want to go through all that effort if the 10mm spacer isn't going to allow my tire to fit anyway.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Voboy (Post 8657120)
it will rub unless you do as stated.

Fenders are already rolled....I just want to make sure I won't need to modify them further, e.g. cutting or pulling, in order to sneak the tire past with the 10mm spacer.

scotts300 Sep 14, 2010 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by sry110 (Post 8656667)
In lieu of starting a separate thread:
Is anyone running a 285/35/19 tire on a +12 offset wheel with camber within OEM specs and rolled (not cut) fenders? Does the tire fit without rubbing? Or would I need to run more camber or go with a 275/35/19 tire?

Is that on the 19x10.5+22 with a 10mm spacer?

Voboy Sep 14, 2010 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by sry110 (Post 8657131)
Fenders are already rolled....I just want to make sure I won't need to modify them further, e.g. cutting or pulling, in order to sneak the tire past with the 10mm spacer.

i know your fenders are rolled lol it aint enough...

terrasmak Sep 14, 2010 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by sry110 (Post 8657131)
Fenders are already rolled....I just want to make sure I won't need to modify them further, e.g. cutting or pulling, in order to sneak the tire past with the 10mm spacer.

Depends on your tire. Not all sized tires are actually the same. Some 275's will rub with that offset, some 285's will fit fine.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by scotts300 (Post 8657200)
Is that on the 19x10.5+22 with a 10mm spacer?

Correct.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Voboy (Post 8657258)
i know your fenders are rolled lol it aint enough...

OK, so you're thinking that I would need to further modify the fenders, or run more negative camber, to get away with using that tire size and that offset.

sry110 Sep 14, 2010 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by terrasmak (Post 8657259)
Depends on your tire. Not all sized tires are actually the same. Some 275's will rub with that offset, some 285's will fit fine.

Good point, not all tires are created equal. If it makes a difference, I am running Toyo T1R.


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