I have driven both -- I had a 5AT as a loaner for a long while -- the 6spd is the way to go. Totally different car IMHO. I will probably get flamed by the 5AT guys -- but the 6 spd sooo much better!!!!! The manual shift mode pails in comparision to the feel of the stick (but the new 2005 one is way better as it has rev-matched downshifting). All that said -- I am a track junkie and the Z is my toy, not my daily driver.

But try this -- girls that drive stick are super sexy (that is how you sell it to your wife).

 

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.n...32M1&&5&&nyrnc
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.n...32M1&&5&&nyrnc
pwned :P

oh and he said he wanted a Touring not an Enthuz. or Base.

 

In a nutshell, VDC will attempt to correct your Z if it senses your Z is doing funny things (like going sideways). If your rear wheels begin to slip TCS (VDC also) will try and reduce engine power/apply brakes to stop the wheel spin, but TCS will not do much if you start doing 360’s and doing Sideway Sam stuff.

Again, 6MT only gets VDC, so you can convince your wife why manual is safer (Just a hint).

 

+1

 

Umm check where it says opt equipment on both. Look at the discrepancy with the wheels.

PWNED joo!

 

The basic point that Charlie was trying to point out is that AT's have a price premium over MT's in virtually all cases. In the case of the Touring model, there are probably more AT's out there and in more demand b/c of its inherent luxury (along with the leather seats that not even the pricier Track has). MT's are probably more rare for the Touring (whether it's b/c of the actual production work or b/c there are less made, which might translate to premium pricing for those wanting luxury, yet a non-luxurious drivetrain, that being the MT). The stock wheels on the AT Touring make a difference as well.*

But all in all, you'll find that AT's have a price premium over MT's (my first car was a Civic AT and it cost me $1.5K more than the MT... and we're talking about a barebones car ).


(looks like Charlie beat me on this one)

 

lmao nice way to try to cover it, but no. Its not an additional option that u can take off from KBB. Even the cars at my dealership, the 6MT Touring is more expensive then the 5AT.

pwned joo old man!

 

Ya i know the 6MT is usually cheaper, but he said he wanted Touring and the Touring 6MT invoice is more then the 5AT. So had to tell him that cause most people dont know that, including you and the other guy.

 

Maybe you just suck at negotiating or you believe everything the dealer tells you.

Moderater Pwned joo teeny bopper.

 

Good point

 

Or sticker prices are higher? Poor old man cant accept he was wrong... too bad!

Oh and edmunds.com says the same thing.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/niss...47/prices.html
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/niss...45/prices.html

So your just wrong, sorry.
And ya thanks yobri for understanding my point.

 

Damn you youngans! What the hell makes you think I'm old btw?

Only old guys buy auto Z with leather!

 

The ZR.
99% of the time only older people buy a ZR .

Hey my Auto Z with a leather is sexy. And as Yobri stated, "wanted more luxurious"
lmao

 

I really thought I preferred the 6MT, but found a good deal on a 5AT touring with nav and aero pkg. So I thought I made one compromise but got a alot of extras I thought I couldn't get.

I honestly think I'm still 50/50 about the manual. I think if the 5AT was a standard/old style auto I'd definitely say go 6MT, but the autostick/tiptronic helps with the manual style shifting when you want it and you can leave it in full auto when you're in heavy traffic. There is a slight delay in shifting at times, but you don't have to worry about the clutch either. I find driving the auto almost as fun but slightly more versatile than the mt. Additionally the 5AT is just as fast as the 6MT. Numbers on the board indicate it all comes down to driver ability.

I wouldn't have had these opinions earlier. If I had special ordered the car vice buy it new, I would have ordered it with stick only because that's what I had in my mind to get. I enjoy driving both versions. I don't know if that helps you or not.

 

Are you saying I'm old and that I should push myself out of a walker and drive 25 mph in the fwy?

Moderators ban him for age discrimination!

 

Old? No.. ANCIENT!!! lmao
I think you should just sell the Z and buy a crown vic... and just give me the money left over.
haha

 

I'll give you some perspective. My wife rarely drives any car I have but has to once in a while. But since I bought the 6MT Z, she never wants to drive it. She can drive an MT really well but she doesn't want the hassle. But I bought an AT Jeep Wrangler just so she could drive it once in a while. I hated the Jeep because it didn't feel like a Jeep with an AT. I sold it 6 months after buying it. She might have driven the Jeep 3 times in that 6 months.

The thought actually ran through my head again today. For some INSANE reason I was thinking of trading my 2 month old Z on a ZR. I didn't even consider a ZR when looking for my Z because I absolutely can't stand the way they look with the top up. But I considered for half a second if the ZR should be an AT. I don't think it would feel like I was driving a sports car if I got an AT. But then again, I probably won't get the ZR anyway.

 

Just got my 6MT and love it...brings back all the fun to driving....

We got my wife a new Mazda3 hatch with the "manumatic"...she
never touches the "+/-", but loves the car. I drive it often, but
seldom use the "+/-" shifting, it just does't compare to a manual.
As a straight automatic tho, it is great, as I'm sure the Z AT is.

So for me, I "guide" the Mazda3, I "drive" my Z 6MT

ps: I think the Touring AT is less than the 6MT because it
doesn't have $$$$ worth of VDC...

 

I just got a new performance Z with the 6MT, my last Z was an enthusiast auto...I love the 6MT and it is my daily driver. Just the feeling of all that extra power is worth it. Oh and my daily drive to work is 20 miles down world famous Victory drive...ok, picture Atlanta traffic but only two lanes, yikes, but I am lucky enough to have a traffic companion in the form of an M3 that has the same schedule as me...makes those morning drives quite entertaining

 

if you and your wife are getting the z for the fun factor, i'd suggest the 6mt, it's my daily driver, and i love it, even when in traffic - but i love to drive... i could see the benefits in getting a 5at, but i just dont think it would be as fun.