Scuse me... I use pay in two ways..

1. In monetary terms(for fix-it tickets, speeding tickets)
2. In physical terms(murder, rape, GTA)

I didn't mean to be so unclear on that part. =) A proper mix(and I think that our system is better than most others) creates the optimal situation. I don't think that a person should get their car impounded or sent to jail for a night if they break the speed limit, but I do think that jail time is necessary as the crime gets increasingly unjust, or wrong. We're probably near the same page, and I hope that clears up that i don't think that ALL things should be paid for in monetary terms.

 

Well, I thought we are talking about speeding tickets. About paying money fines.

I don't argue your #2, no way. If you do something wrong you should have consequenses. But the real ones.

Trying to substitute consequenses with money, means the violation wasn't that REAL or that bad, right? That's in case when money goes to some good use. Like public libraries or cancer research or starving african kids...

And when those money goes directly to the peope who responsible for giving tickets... now that's totally stinks. It's no brainer what will happens, when city authorities found such a nice way to get money. They'll make cops to go collect more and more. It's much better then fighting crime. Safe and profitable.

Now, if they'd have to put people in jail for speeding ticket... guess what will happen? No money earned in first place. Then, the'll have to devote a lot of time to every person. Drive him to jail, etc. Then they'll have to take care about person while it's in jail. It's all direct loses. So no cops would even think about stopping any car unless it goes like 150mph and real danger. The whole speedtrap war would totally lose sence, and they'll have to go do something else. Probably fight crime.

Don't you agree? That's why they not putting people in jail for speeding ticket. And not because they are mercyfull. It's profitable this way. And when profit involved... it's not about law anymore.

 

There is a booklet at the link below. It's CDN, however, it may also be applicable to US jurisdictions.

http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/fyst0499.pdf


If the server is busy, you can view a cached version at:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:...hl=en&ie=UTF-8


good luck

 

YOu said that it was a speed trap... How did it classify as a speed trap, was he actually hidden from sight or did in anyway was tehre any hiding of the car or even odd angles for the device to check your speed??? and waht was used radar (moving or no moving radar (was the car moving or not when u were clocked) or lazer.

 

Del:.. I have not been to Atlanta City Traffic Court in about 11 years.. IT is generally a zoo down there.. If you really want to fight the ticket.. get a lawyer for about $500 to 700. to get the charge reduced.. possible dismissed depending..
In the past.. (between 15 & 12 years ago) I found that (especially around the time of the Gulf war 10 to 12 years ago..) that many of the officers are reserveists.. and if they get called.. Which some of mine did at that time.. they will not be at the hearing.. fight the ticket and it will be dismissed.. THAT is possible.
But with an attorney you will still miss about 2 days.. total of work.. If you make about over 100. a day.. is all this worth it??
Get an attorney that has done recent Atl. city traffic court.. THEY will know the Solicitors (NOT DA's).. and get something done for you.. good luck..

 

Have been pulled over about 6 times in the 3 months I have had mine. Good thing I work for the police department!

 

Now that is the stuff that pisses me off. Just b/c you work for the pd you get off on your ticket. That proves a lot of points made in other posts about the real reasons tickets are written, and also how the system works. I guess it's all in who you know or how deep your pockets are. Just really depends on who you want to have the money more, the insurance company or the state of Georgia.
Believe me it really doesn't matter what your record is like, they could give a rats a$$ about you and your insurance premiums, and will use your ignorance of the law and court system to their full advantage. (btw I am not implying that you are ignorant at all but just about the system and how it works.)
And as far as they are concerned ignorance of the law is no excuse. So good luck and exploit any means to get out of this ticket you can. They sure exploited any means of catching you didn't they?

 

I have finally decided to go with the lawyer. It is going to cost me 400.00 for his time and then whatever fine I have to pay. I feel that going in with a lawyer I have a better chance of saving more money in the long run. I think I'd rather give the money to the lawyer in this case then to my insurance company.

Thanks for everyones help I'm saving this thread so maybe I can pass it on in the future.

 

The problem is, judge is unpredictable and judging traffic cases based solely on his mood. Truth is the least thing that worries him. At least im Michigan. I've heard a lot of cases where lawers didn't help a bit, whatever they do. And then, without lawer my wife was able to get rid of two(!) at-fault accidents using mostly her innocent look and reasonable defence line.

But then if you know lawer who know the prosecutor, then its different again... Desicions, desicions

 

Hey. Aren't you the same guy that said that all insurance companies were deceptive, fradulant scumbags in another thread? Now you're saying that "truth" is the least thing judges are concerned with? I'm glad I'm not you're Z salesman. I might accidentally drill you're front bumper.

WayneTN

 

the real reason tickets are given is for one simple fact, it lowers traffic deaths...you can see it in the statistics

 

Have you fought your tickets in court? At least one? I don't think so... Otherwise you would know I'm telling the truth.

I base my opinion on my very own experience. What is your experience? You went to court many times and every time judje was nice and understanding and LISTEN to you, and ruled using logic? Or insurance companies. How did they made your day?

If you have nothing to say then don't say nothing!

 

I have used this method and it has worked both times that I 've used it. I got the idea from an insurance agent that I dated a while back, hopefully it will work for you. When you mail in the check to pay the ticket "overpay" by $5. The police dept. will then send you a refund for the $5. When you get that refund check back, rip it up & just toss it in the garbage. The point is that the poilce can't close the case until their check has cleared. Since you have thrown out the refund check, the case will never be closed. An "open" case cannot be submitted to your insurance company. Good luck!!!!!!!!

 

That is a sneaky idea...clever

 

Not entirely true, speed does not kill, ignorance and carelessness does... ofcourse when speed is added in there results in a higher danger. I wish police would give out more recless driving tickets out as well as other like turns without a signal light and the simmilar.... I see all the time people driving like idiots around cops and they are never stoped or ticketed....

I am not condonig speeding but I wish people would really study what stats are published and not jsut accept them as most are flawed studies that are desigend to point out a specific point of view and not the truth... For example the Stat legislators/police through out about teen drivers and how they are the most likely to get killed in a accident.... The study does not take in to account the hours behind a wheel jsut the number of drivers which makes a BIG differnce and they always fail to also say that the leading cause of death for 15 to 35 year olds is car accidents... If you do here somthign similar it is only up to say 21 or 25..

There are bad drivers and good drivers and age, sex, race, nor anything else can be an idicator of which you are. Thoes that are good drivers should be left alone and thoes that are not should be punished or repomanded so that they improve their driving skills.


Sorry for the Vent But I am sick of hearing people spouting out Stats that they don't even understand (yes there is alot more then jsut readig a graph or even reading the results). Also I am sick of people persicuting the young drivers in here jsut on the basis of age... Give everyone a chance and then judge... but judge fairly without any leways on and prejudice or bias.


Wow.. I feel better not also sorry about any spelling errors.. I know there are some but jsut too tired to go back and fix them.

 

Does Georgia have this?

North Carolina does. I had to use it after getting out of my motorcycle accident and then passing a double yellow with my car (not the Z).

If Georgia has this, then have your attorney exercise it and you will get off. One stipulation is that you don't have anything on your record for the past 3 years. It doesn't look like you do from what you said in your post.

Hope this helps.

 

It's ALL ABOUT PROFIT!!!

Have you guys ever experienced PHOTO RADAR?

You drive by faster than 10 over, it snaps a picture of your car license plate number, with the exact date and time, the cops mail it to you, you pay, it does not affect your insurance. The same types of cameras are mounted at stop lights, and can detect both speed and if you run the red!

They say it makes for safer streets, and in the same breath, they say they hope to make over $11 million in the first year of operation here.

 

007,

You're exactly right about using stats to push an agenda. Car accidents are the leading killer of people 16-21? Of course they are. What else is going to kill the average teenager? Heart disease? COPD? Raising the drinking age to 21 decreases the number of traffic fatalities? Of course it does. Raising it to 35 would lower them even more dramatically.

Traffic citations are taxation without representation, pure and simple. I once stopped in a little town called Alvarado on I-35 between Fort Worth and Austin.

I had to relieve myself, stopped at a gas station, got busted by a cop for doing 45 on the frontage road. He had to follow me onto the interstate because I had no idea I was doing anything wrong. There was no speed limit 30 sign between the gas station and the on-ramp.

But because this town was two hours from my home in Austin, I wasn't about to show up for court. Took deferred adjudication and no points.

Moral of the story: Though I had never even set foot in this town, they taxed me $100 or so for the pleasure of driving through.

Very few things rankle me more than traffic cops sitting, waiting to collect the city's free money from drivers. Ever notice how you see fewer cops on turnpikes, especially down south? They're getting your money from another, much more up-front source, only the insurance company's not in on the scam.

While Buford T. Law is writing someone a ticket, somebody's breaking into my car and stealing my stereo.

 

Speeding Tickets

 

Oh, and while I'm thinking about this, I forgot to add that I have my reservations about any so-called crime that can be wiped from your record by renting a video, using an Internet service or going to a comedy club.

All part of the scam -- when you take defensive driving, the company that administers the class gives the state a cutback.