What insurance do YOU have that will cover track racing?!

if you total it at a track its your *** that is grass. they wont pay for it .. but you could just as much tow the car out of the track onto the free way and then... call your company to "record place of accident"

they dont cover competition, but i think you can tell them it was wrecked on a private road. which tracks are....

Race tracks are FAR more safer than the street.. in High Performance Driving Experiences, they totally go against "racing" but more of a learning experience on the track. so they encourage you to pull off if there are too many ppl infront of you...

Buttonwillow and Street of Willow are pretty safe. I've seen wrecks at each (carrera 4 and s2k, respectively at each track)..
the Porsche was going thru the chicanes, and just lost it and hit the mystery wall that no one knew about near the bleachers, and at STreets of Willow, the s2k tried to recover a drift and just ended up into the wall.. he was trying to show off, but problem was, his race compound was still cold, being it was only the SECOND lap they were out..

hot lapping is bad ***, and i'm gonna go as soon as i install my suspension... (i think right now is the best time to go, since its not too hot, not too cold) perfect weather!

 

Racing is competitive, which insurance companies will definitely not cover. HPDE's can be considered driver education and non-competitive.

If you have any doubts, then read your insurance policy carefully. If it specifically states that it does not cover driving on tracks even though it's non-competitive, then it's not covered.

EDIT:

http://www.thedriversedge.net/faq.htm
http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde

Bottomline: check your insurance policy.

Michael.

 

Steve...I find that there aren't enought "track days" in the rest of the states. Cali has some of the best roads and a lot of tracks. PLus the year round weather.

Here in Chicago, we have elkhart lake ( two track days), Gingerman Raceway park (3 track days) and Putnam Park( 4 track days). All of the days tkae place in the summer. So my problem is that the tracks are over 3 hours away, and only in a 4 month period.



dan

 

I can tell you first hand that I have seen cars wreck at the track and their insurance did cover them (as long as it wasn't an actual race). Let me also add though that your insurance will either skyrocket or they will dump you there after, but it's better than having to eat the cost of your car.

 

Steve...aka "raceboy"... tracks. Will he ever become an F1 or NASCAR, or CART / Indy racer -- very doubtful.

Therefore, does this make Steve a ricer because he races without a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming a professional racer -- answer: no.

Why no ... because he enjoys and loves this sport.

So if you mod a car... with stereo, appearance packages, or performance parts -- is this rice -- answer: no.

Why no ... because the person who does these changes loves cars... and that love of the automobile alone answers everything.

 

Well said.

 

Ahh, but I have competed in sanctioned races for money.

Now, to show that I am not the totally close minded *** some people think I am I will say that I was wrong in my premise for this thread. Modding your car is just as valid as fixing up your home. You do it for your own personal satisfaction and that's enough. What something is worth is only in the mind of the buyer, I should know that from all my years in sales.

That being said, what is in good taste is still up for debate. Like if your neighbor put in florescent orange astroturf and painted their house Pepto Pink!!!

 

hoopjones... thank you very much.


Steve -- your analogy is incorrect.

In Japan, I have seen some of most outrageous mods on cars, vans, SUVs -- you name it ... I have seen it here. While the car mods may not align with my personal tastes ... I have always appreciated the fact that the people who did those mods loved what they were doing so much... to spend the money on what they wanted.

I see the cars on the road... and that is all.

However, to compare cars mods with a person living next door who decides to paint their home pink or orange ... it not correct.

You cannot escape what is next door ... whereas with a car, it is only a temporary sighting ...

 

hmm to some extent yes. if they are only adding **** to their cars but will not use it then there is no point. however, some cars to look really clean, LOOK. i always see souped up cars in magazines and always wonder whether they can handle worth **** on the track. as for me, i plan to take my car to texas world speedway once i break in the engine... which might take a while since im only at 160.

 

Rice... hmmm... Folks have made many valid points in this thread (some quite insightful and erudite). Anyway, I'll toss in a definition based on my observations.

Rice is something other than dedication to true performance done under the guise of adding performance (i.e., a pure facade with no substance). I'll list what I think class as evidence of rice.

• Every window filled with performance stickers indicating equipment, but the equipment is not actually on the car.
• Huge GT wings (bigger than the car) that have no functional purpose -- i.e., add weight with no tuned aero gains.
• Cheap coffee can exhausts (not cat back, etc.) that are all sound (usually obnoxious) and no substance.
• Cheap, ill fitting urethane body kits with no aerodynamic advantage (like the comment on big GT wings above), and are neither track nor road worthy.
• ...and a long list of other performance fakery.
• AND most importantly, a driver who thinks all the fluff makes the ride an Indy racer on the street, acting without regard to safety or lives of others; i.e., a really stupid idiot.

If you want to trick up the ride for show -- great, knock your socks off, but don't pretend the ride is something it's not.

Besides it's great looks, most of us probably bought Zs because we enjoy a great performing car (I know I do). Tuning it for performance is one thing a lot of us do, even if we never fully exploit every part of the performance envelope. We just enjoy driving a well-tuned and powerful car. Some of us will trick up our Zs for show -- more power to you, and there's nothing wrong with that (we hope the result is a work of art). So, the bottom line on what is RICE lies in the mindset of the owner, whose idiotic actions tell the whole tale for all to witness.

 

Could someone explain this term "rice"? Years ago, I used to hear it used to hear the term "rice burner" to describe motorcycles that were made in Japan. Is this word "rice" a racial stereotype in addition to a description of a car's modifications.

 

It seems to have started based on the fact that this performance-look craze began with Japanese imports and perhaps even with young Asians, but the term is applied now to certain characteristics of car modifications and the owner's behavior and is not restricted to Japanese cars or culture any more. You can have a riced out Ford Focus as easily as a Honda Civic. I think TereP's message above sums up this definition of "Rice" very well: putting more emphasis on making the car look fast rather than actually increasing its true performance.

However, street racers (at least in the San Jose area) use a different definition. Any Japanese car that's racing is called "Rice", while big American V8s are "Muscle" and bimmers and the like are "Euro". I'm not sure what they call rice-like America cars like the Focus, Cougar, etc.

This is my perception; others may disagree. Language is evolving and there's no single "right" answer -- it depends on how people use the words.

 

It's not as racial as "rice rocket" or "ricer burner" because that is unmistakably directed at the race of the original designer / company. And it is fairly safe to say that it's not a complement. Like z350z said, it now is taken to encompass all cars regardless. Like at www.beaterz.com. Although you will still probably find some people out there that will get offended at the use of the term "rice". (I know I used to)

 

TereP you missed one!!!

A L T E Z Z A S !!!!

 

I wouldn't consider it rice to have all those mods without any intention of going to a track. But I would consider it pointless

But hey, some people have money...more power to them.

 

Even if they're on an Altezza??!

 

yes!!

 

NOO! The lights are called Altezzas for a reason.