TCS?? I agree. Base would be scarry.

 

damn they are hardcore!!! lol....

but some ppl just can't drive, and they know they can't drive. they just rationalize the problem and say "oh, the road was bad" so the don't have to face reality.

 

If you can blame some one/thing else then why take responsibility!

 

and for those people there is front wheel drive.

 

Mabey Nissan can go old school and raise the prices (40-50k) on the next gen Z. We get a better car and at the same time keep out the riff raff.

Serioulsy tho our Z cars are just so accessible nowdays esp how they are priced used.

Not going to even mention the rising insurance cost.

 

The reason that there are so many accidents is because we live in a society of immature egomaniac's. They think that they have something to offer without ever putting in the time to better themselves. A generation of braggarts with nothing to brag about. Put *******s like that into a RWD car w/ a lot of horsepower and they get a well needed dose of reality. The sad thing is, is that they don't learn a lesson from the incident. That's why you hear such lame excuses. These people are so delusional that they believe that the accident couldn't have been a fault of their own, because they're God's gift to the world, that it must be something wrong with the car or a once in a lifetime environmental influence. Rant over.

 

Are you speaking from experience or just talking nonsense? My base model has been through 3 winters on stock potenzas. TCS has little to do with anything, and if anything, the addition of VLSD makes the car more dangerous for no driving shipdits. In a nutshell, you're wrong.

The Z is a pretty hard car to wreck if you have any skills/commonsense whatsoever. I've pushed the hell out of my Z and have always managed to keep it on the road and avoid other vehicles.

 

I'd have to completely disagree. The (base) Z is my first RWD car, coming from the RSX-S (ok, ok, let's not pollute this thread with all that bs) and I didn't have any real problems driving in iced over roads in central TX. All it takes is patience. Granted, if I had the choice I would have had something other than stock tires, but for the 0-3 days a year of ice we get here... not worth it.

 

I have not driven in snow before, but I'll take your guys word for it. and I love that line as well.. " I was just driving along and...."

 

Agreed, but this is a lot of hp for some of the noobs racing, spinning, crashing, and even killing themselves. This is my 4th sports car, but this one in my hands when I was a junior or senior in high school or even in college probably would have killed me too. I was young, indestructible, and thought that I was the one of the greatest drivers in the world. (As most Californians think anyway). These three are a dangerous combination.


My senior year in HS I bought my brother's Fiat 124 Spider (with money that I earned working for 2 years on the Queen Mary-flame preemptive strike), and somehow managed to drive like Mario Andretti without killing myself. While this was a very affordable fun car for it's day, it's no where near a Z in power numbers. (Last preemptive strike for the fix it again Tommy comments I'm about to read.. I loved that car and it had 112,000 miles on it when I traded it in). So there. nyaa.

 

From living most of my life in northern minnesota all I can say is you get used to it. Easy on the power rember you can't stop any better with a 4 wheel drive than you can with 2 wheel drive. The #1 is watch out for the other driver. They will get you every time. I see this living here in the southern black hills . There trying to drive like it's dry . Slow and steady will get you there every time.

 

the base is ok

 

+1

 

i agree. these wrecks are because people are screwing around with cars they arent capable of driving. notice most of them are very young with little to no experience driving a car like this. its just too much car for inexperienced people. and nobody can admit that they were screwing around. its like "oh my god, my car was just sitting at a red light and it just flipped over. all by itself ". we were all young and did stupid stuff when we got are first car so you arent fooling anyone when you say i wasnt doing anything stupid. i use to tell my parents that and they knew better. also why are so many parents buying this car for their young kids? its not like you look at this car and say you didnt know it was a performance machine. experience is the key here i think.

 

I think the main problem is 20 years of FWD domination.

It has polluted our very way of thinking about how a car should handle, what a car's limitations are and what conditions it can operate under.

For years we have been told "Its FWD, so it goes great in the snow.", to the point that people belive whole-heartedly that driving a RWD in bad weather equals instant death. The Truth of the matter is in the type of tires you use...

We then have a vast majority of the drivers in this country that have ONLY driven FWD vehicles, and even driven them hard. The handling charactaristics of a RWD are completly different, yet everyone expects to hop in a RWD car and drive it like their FWD and exepct the same behavior. WORSE, they think that RWD "Handles so much better" than their FWD and push the car that much harder and get in to trouble.

Basically.. American's have become RWD illiterate.

 

youre nonsense, the majority of people crashing have there VDC off, or the base model go look around, traction control saves your A$$, just because you have the base and drive it carefully when needed doesnt mean everybody does

 

They already make that. It's called a BMW.

 

Grab me a screwdriver too i just got depressed looks like the three stooges of malibu most wanted.

 

Can I borrow it when you're done? Thx.

 

Just as I feared. With all these driver "aids" in cars nowadays, we've created a nation of driving hacks, who can't drive without these stupid aids. Jesus H. Christ. No wonder people can't drive anymore.