gear shifting at 60mph
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If you are riding on the highway doing about 55-60, and you want to pull away(strong) from a car, what gear would you downshift too, without redlining or blowing chucks of the tranny on the ground. Assume that you are in 5th gear.
Note I never had nor driven a car with a 6th gear, so I have no idea when you would use this gear.
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Note I never had nor driven a car with a 6th gear, so I have no idea when you would use this gear.
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Hard to say w/o driving the car and seeing where the revs are at a particular speed in a particular gear. In the Z at 60mph you can probably downshift for a quick 3rd gear and then right to 4th. The key is blip the throttle on the downshift to match the revs so you don't get that lurch.
I think Matthew's correct with 3rd...but not for long, like he pointed out. If I recall from Automobile mag's write-up, 3rd gear maxes out at 88 mph. With the broad torque band of this engine though, even dropping down to 4th would probably give you a good surge.
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matthewz,
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The key is blip the throttle on the downshift to match the revs so you don't get that lurch.
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Usually when i downshift in my eclipse, I get a lurch. I thought that was automatic, when you downshift. Speak more of blipping the throttle to match the revs.
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The key is blip the throttle on the downshift to match the revs so you don't get that lurch.
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Usually when i downshift in my eclipse, I get a lurch. I thought that was automatic, when you downshift. Speak more of blipping the throttle to match the revs.
you will be cruising in 6th. I would downshift to 5th most of the time (there will be plenty of torque), 4th for extreme situations and 3rd if you want to beat your engine to crap and make sure it does not last more than 100,000 miles. I am assuming you would do this 6th to 3rd downshift often when I say this.
Originally posted by tbcz
I think Matthew's correct with 3rd...but not for long, like he pointed out. If I recall from Automobile mag's write-up, 3rd gear maxes out at 88 mph. With the broad torque band of this engine though, even dropping down to 4th would probably give you a good surge.
I think Matthew's correct with 3rd...but not for long, like he pointed out. If I recall from Automobile mag's write-up, 3rd gear maxes out at 88 mph. With the broad torque band of this engine though, even dropping down to 4th would probably give you a good surge.
TCBZ brings up a good point about the amount of TQ the car will have. In addition, the 5 to 4 shift is much quicker physically than a 5 to 3.
As far as bliping the throttle....
Lets say you are in 4th gear at 2.5K rpms and want to drop to third. Try and judge how many rmps your current speed will equate to in 3rd, maybe 3.5K or 4K. Depress the clutch, hit the gas pedal to get the engine speed up to 3.5K rpms while you are moving the shifter into third and then engage the clutch, then get on the gas again.
Originally posted by joeandcarol2
you will be cruising in 6th. I would downshift to 5th most of the time (there will be plenty of torque), 4th for extreme situations and 3rd if you want to beat your engine to crap and make sure it does not last more than 100,000 miles. I am assuming you would do this 6th to 3rd downshift often when I say this.
you will be cruising in 6th. I would downshift to 5th most of the time (there will be plenty of torque), 4th for extreme situations and 3rd if you want to beat your engine to crap and make sure it does not last more than 100,000 miles. I am assuming you would do this 6th to 3rd downshift often when I say this.
I disagree with your statement of having the engine die at 100k miles just by driving it hard. I have redlined numerous cars everyday, multiple times a day for years. They did not ever have engine problems.
An engines enemy is heat, and friction. So long as you are in the rpm range set by the manufacturer, the car hasnt been raped by installing a 20psi turbo, and your car is well maintained, then you will be ok.
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nasty,
Check out this link: http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/notebook/shifting/
Find the section on downshifting.
Check out this link: http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/notebook/shifting/
Find the section on downshifting.
Originally posted by nasty
If you are riding on the highway doing about 55-60, and you want to pull away(strong) from a car, what gear would you downshift too, without redlining or blowing chucks of the tranny on the ground. Assume that you are in 5th gear.
Note I never had nor driven a car with a 6th gear, so I have no idea when you would use this gear.
touring/ 6speed manual/ KYO/ floor mats/
If you are riding on the highway doing about 55-60, and you want to pull away(strong) from a car, what gear would you downshift too, without redlining or blowing chucks of the tranny on the ground. Assume that you are in 5th gear.
Note I never had nor driven a car with a 6th gear, so I have no idea when you would use this gear.
touring/ 6speed manual/ KYO/ floor mats/
You mentioned you have never driven a 6spd before; I am assuming you have driven a 5spd, right? I've never driven a 6spd before, so how hard could it be? 6th gear is an overdrive for those long boring flat sections of road where you want to save gas. From all the tests I've read, you can accelerate from almost any gear in the Z because it is so torquey. I ordered the 5AT so I won't be driving a 6spd, unless VQ has a bad case of brain fade and lets me drive his Track model. Nah, not likely.
Boomer--have fun.
BR/FR/AT
Originally posted by forbin
nasty,
Check out this link: http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/notebook/shifting/
Find the section on downshifting.
nasty,
Check out this link: http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/notebook/shifting/
Find the section on downshifting.
Remember Double Clutching is all but obsolete w/ today's street clutches. So don't worry about it.
Originally posted by Matt
it may be true that double-clutching may not be necessary for today's cars, but i wouldn't call it obsolete, it's always easier on the car to double-clutch.
it may be true that double-clutching may not be necessary for today's cars, but i wouldn't call it obsolete, it's always easier on the car to double-clutch.
Somebody's been watching too much fast and the furious.
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Originally posted by NissaNZ
You don't need to double-clutch that's what synchros are for.
Somebody's been watching too much fast and the furious.
You don't need to double-clutch that's what synchros are for.
Somebody's been watching too much fast and the furious.
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Boomer
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You mentioned you have never driven a 6spd before; I am assuming you have driven a 5spd, right? I've never driven a 6spd before, so how hard could it be?
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I didn't say that it would be hard to drive a 6th speed. Just different. I am use to having 5th gear as overdrive. So my question is, at what speed would you use 6th. 70 and over?
So i guess i am looking at the gear like this. 6th gear would really be 5th, 5th gear would be 4th, etc......
I just want my car, so i can try out something, with this extra gear, but not before 1500 miles.
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You mentioned you have never driven a 6spd before; I am assuming you have driven a 5spd, right? I've never driven a 6spd before, so how hard could it be?
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I didn't say that it would be hard to drive a 6th speed. Just different. I am use to having 5th gear as overdrive. So my question is, at what speed would you use 6th. 70 and over?
So i guess i am looking at the gear like this. 6th gear would really be 5th, 5th gear would be 4th, etc......
I just want my car, so i can try out something, with this extra gear, but not before 1500 miles.
touring/ 6speed/ KYO
Originally posted by nasty
Boomer
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You mentioned you have never driven a 6spd before; I am assuming you have driven a 5spd, right? I've never driven a 6spd before, so how hard could it be?
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I didn't say that it would be hard to drive a 6th speed. Just different. I am use to having 5th gear as overdrive. So my question is, at what speed would you use 6th. 70 and over?
So i guess i am looking at the gear like this. 6th gear would really be 5th, 5th gear would be 4th, etc......
I just want my car, so i can try out something, with this extra gear, but not before 1500 miles.
touring/ 6speed/ KYO
Boomer
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You mentioned you have never driven a 6spd before; I am assuming you have driven a 5spd, right? I've never driven a 6spd before, so how hard could it be?
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I didn't say that it would be hard to drive a 6th speed. Just different. I am use to having 5th gear as overdrive. So my question is, at what speed would you use 6th. 70 and over?
So i guess i am looking at the gear like this. 6th gear would really be 5th, 5th gear would be 4th, etc......
I just want my car, so i can try out something, with this extra gear, but not before 1500 miles.
touring/ 6speed/ KYO
The Z is similar with its 6 spd but has less torque, obviously. 6th in the Z would only be used for travel. I can't imagine it being useful for anything else. With 6 gears, the Z has lower gearing in 1st to 3rd for added acceleration, 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile.
Boomer
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Originally posted by forbin
Believe it or not, the owner's manual suggests shifting to 6th at 33mph under normal acceleration.
Believe it or not, the owner's manual suggests shifting to 6th at 33mph under normal acceleration.
What the heck do we have all those gears for? Why not go from 1st to 6th?
Originally posted by barnicleboy
5th plenty of torque? only if your racing a yugo on the highway. otherwise you will need to bring it to 3rd. 3rd will take you to 88mph. then comes 4th.
I disagree with your statement of having the engine die at 100k miles just by driving it hard. I have redlined numerous cars everyday, multiple times a day for years. They did not ever have engine problems.
An engines enemy is heat, and friction. So long as you are in the rpm range set by the manufacturer, the car hasnt been raped by installing a 20psi turbo, and your car is well maintained, then you will be ok.
5th plenty of torque? only if your racing a yugo on the highway. otherwise you will need to bring it to 3rd. 3rd will take you to 88mph. then comes 4th.
I disagree with your statement of having the engine die at 100k miles just by driving it hard. I have redlined numerous cars everyday, multiple times a day for years. They did not ever have engine problems.
An engines enemy is heat, and friction. So long as you are in the rpm range set by the manufacturer, the car hasnt been raped by installing a 20psi turbo, and your car is well maintained, then you will be ok.
Gee aren't you the hot racer.
In 4th gear at 60 the engine will be turning well above 3,000 RPM (my spreadsheet for this calc is at home)... I think PLENTY of torque is avaiable in this case. Even in 5th. Unless of course you are RACING.


