Nissan Dealer BS'ers in canada
08-20-2002, 12:36 AM
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Nissan Dealer BS'ers in canada
I just wanted to mention I got some insider info that in canada almost all dealers are BS'ers. Especially if you are ordering now. All cars are sold out and unless you are special if you order now you probably won't get for atleast 1 year. Even if the dealer tells you spring time. They just want your deposit so they can gain the intrest on it, but not deliver the car. I am not 100% sure that all the dealers are like this but this info came from a very reliable source thats high up in nissan. This is more or less for people who want to order now or ordered within the last couple months.
Oh also all 350z's in canada and USA were suppost to be released all at once, but the US screwed up and thats why some people have their cars right now. Just about all 350z's in Canada will be released all at once.
Oh also all 350z's in canada and USA were suppost to be released all at once, but the US screwed up and thats why some people have their cars right now. Just about all 350z's in Canada will be released all at once.
08-20-2002, 12:57 AM
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Re: Nissan Dealer BS'ers in canada
Originally posted by netviper
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Oh also all 350z's in canada and USA were suppost to be released all at once, but the US screwed up and thats why some people have their cars right now. Just about all 350z's in Canada will be released all at once.
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Oh also all 350z's in canada and USA were suppost to be released all at once, but the US screwed up and thats why some people have their cars right now. Just about all 350z's in Canada will be released all at once.
08-20-2002, 01:03 AM
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not flamming what you said about the US release, but if all cars were suposed to be delivered at the same time, then how come so many people 1) dont have vins and 2) those that do have varying delivery dates (sept - dec). something like this would be a major screwup, not just a few dealers giving out the first few cars early.
08-20-2002, 01:04 AM
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Interesting post. I ordered mid-July so it affects me directly. I've heard one dealer that I spoke to say the exact same thing. My dealer told me no earlier than October but most likely before the end of this year. I'm expecting a production # from him either by the end of August or next month. I'd like to contribute a couple of points to your comments:
1. If this is a concern for someone that is looking to order a Z here, write in a subject into the deal concerning the delivery date. (eg. Subject to delivery before Jan 1, 2003). Cover yourself.
2. Doesn't the interest collected on a deposit go towards the consumer?? Much like a damage deposit when you rent a home?
My gut feeling says this order delay is not true. Could be someone trying to create false demand, could be a lot of things. What are the reasons that they'd be sold out until 2004?
1. If this is a concern for someone that is looking to order a Z here, write in a subject into the deal concerning the delivery date. (eg. Subject to delivery before Jan 1, 2003). Cover yourself.
2. Doesn't the interest collected on a deposit go towards the consumer?? Much like a damage deposit when you rent a home?
My gut feeling says this order delay is not true. Could be someone trying to create false demand, could be a lot of things. What are the reasons that they'd be sold out until 2004?
08-20-2002, 01:28 AM
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I don't know but this info actually comes from nissan canada directly, and not one of their people who answeres phones when you call.
I hope its not true but the thing is for canada nissan is not making a lot of cars. The dealers really don't know how many they are getting. They may say 2-3 a month but thats not even almost a guarentee. And there are a lot of other people that take priority over regular customers. The manager of the store will get one, plus different companies who buy hundreds of nissans. I hope that the cars are not sold out for a year but you will find out very soon what the deal is. I think im going to preorder but its not going to be through a dealer. I can get it directly from nissan canada, but I still think its gonna take a long time for me to get the car.
This is not forsure but its the info I was told, and it didn't come from a dealer who wants to take your money.
I hope its not true but the thing is for canada nissan is not making a lot of cars. The dealers really don't know how many they are getting. They may say 2-3 a month but thats not even almost a guarentee. And there are a lot of other people that take priority over regular customers. The manager of the store will get one, plus different companies who buy hundreds of nissans. I hope that the cars are not sold out for a year but you will find out very soon what the deal is. I think im going to preorder but its not going to be through a dealer. I can get it directly from nissan canada, but I still think its gonna take a long time for me to get the car.
This is not forsure but its the info I was told, and it didn't come from a dealer who wants to take your money.
08-20-2002, 03:55 AM
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netviper,
The Nissan "rep" is the one bs'ing you. One of the threads here, mention 8/15/02 as the National Kick date, so cars showing up after that day are not a screw up. I can not speak to why you guys north of the border have not started receiving your cars yet.
As for all of 2004 production sold out, that is just a flat out wrong. 2003's production run of 20 to 30K units is just starting, and the anticipated numbers for 2004 are around 50K. Now, I may be crazy, but I serious doubt that over 70,000 cars have been spoken for. Quite frankly, I expect that as Nissan gets pass the initial rush of the pre-sells, and second orders, most dealers will have a fairly regular flow of units, for the show floor and lot sales.
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The Nissan "rep" is the one bs'ing you. One of the threads here, mention 8/15/02 as the National Kick date, so cars showing up after that day are not a screw up. I can not speak to why you guys north of the border have not started receiving your cars yet.
As for all of 2004 production sold out, that is just a flat out wrong. 2003's production run of 20 to 30K units is just starting, and the anticipated numbers for 2004 are around 50K. Now, I may be crazy, but I serious doubt that over 70,000 cars have been spoken for. Quite frankly, I expect that as Nissan gets pass the initial rush of the pre-sells, and second orders, most dealers will have a fairly regular flow of units, for the show floor and lot sales.
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08-20-2002, 04:07 AM
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maybe you don't understand english very well but I am talking about canada not the United states.
and you don't know when the 2004 model will come out it could come out in jan 2004.
and you don't know when the 2004 model will come out it could come out in jan 2004.
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08-20-2002, 04:16 AM
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netviper is correct...sorta. If you are ordering in a larger Canadian city, then you will not get your until fall 2003. Approx. 1 year. Smaller cities may have some available. Some dealers in Toronto already have 60 or more deposits and they were only given 15 or so pre-orders. Since it will take the 15 preorders will 3 months to fill, how could one expect not to wait long for the next 45 to arrive.
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im just saying my info did not come out of my a$$. Dealers in canada are taking advantage of the customers and using the deposits to make interest and if they cant deliver the car when they said they could they will just refund your money after making the interest.
08-20-2002, 04:40 AM
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Well, let's see, at around 5K/m that means at least Jan '03 to produce the est. 20 - 30K + 7500 pre-orders (or about 27.5K) . If Nissan does not do any line changes then production would start in Feb'03, thus making the 2004 year start around end of March or early April.
I would not presume to understand the marketing methods of our Northern Brethren. But if you say it will take a year, it will take a year. I know that if I go into a dealer here in Florida around May or June, I will be able to get a Z off the lot.
I have heard that Nissan my keep a limited number of slots on each model year open for custom ordering, but that is just heresay, until proven.
Jim
I would not presume to understand the marketing methods of our Northern Brethren. But if you say it will take a year, it will take a year. I know that if I go into a dealer here in Florida around May or June, I will be able to get a Z off the lot.
I have heard that Nissan my keep a limited number of slots on each model year open for custom ordering, but that is just heresay, until proven.
Jim
08-20-2002, 04:53 AM
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I have had no problem with my order status with a dealership that I ordered from in Alberta in April. He faxed me the printout from Nissan Canada and yes my order is coming in later then expected but It does show my car on it and it is being produced 10/2002 so I can expect delivery beginning of November. There are people in the US that also ordered around when I did and they have been given the same production dates. It is only a car and I am lookin forward to getting it as soon as possible but I still have to keep things in perspective. I live on Vancouver Island and they are going to deliver it for me to the local dealership since I wasnt able to order from them because all the preorder slots were gone and I had to wait till next year to get the car. It shouldnt take too long to get it once it arrives in port since I live so close to it.
Its all good............just think of it as after all those other production runs they have already done on the 350Z, I'm sure that they will find screw ups on them and they will have them fixed by the time they make ours!!!
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Its all good............just think of it as after all those other production runs they have already done on the 350Z, I'm sure that they will find screw ups on them and they will have them fixed by the time they make ours!!!
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I'm still not sure I understand this fully. I've done some quick calculations based on the number of dealers around Vancouver and whatnot and extended that out for the whole country and came up with maybe only 2000 cars at most coming to Canada? (this may be WAY off, just very quick arithmetic). That doesn't seem to make sense, seems kinda low. The busiest dealer here in town only had 12 pre-orders back in mid-July.
However, if this is the case, I'm crossing my fingers that someone in front of me negs on their deal since I'm first in line! And you can be sure that I'll be at the dealer in person tomorrow looking for some answers.
Thanks for the heads-up Netviper. Here's hoping you're wrong though!
However, if this is the case, I'm crossing my fingers that someone in front of me negs on their deal since I'm first in line! And you can be sure that I'll be at the dealer in person tomorrow looking for some answers.
Thanks for the heads-up Netviper. Here's hoping you're wrong though!
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to tell you the truth at Z-fest i remember the 350z marketing guy say there were only 500-700 coming to canada in the first year. I could be wrong though, but thats what I remember him saying
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If that's the case (500-700) into Canada, then I'm screwed. I'd make the 2000 figure I'm pretty sure but if its that first one, I might be on the sidelines for this car. And that will SUPREMELY **** me off! 
My chance might be for one of the 6 people in front of me at my dealer (who all have production numbers) to neg out on there deal.
Now, you can bet that I'll be banging on my dealers door this afternoon for more details.
My chance might be for one of the 6 people in front of me at my dealer (who all have production numbers) to neg out on there deal.Now, you can bet that I'll be banging on my dealers door this afternoon for more details.
08-20-2002, 10:15 PM
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it could be pre-orders im not sure all I know is that there are definately not many coming to canada. See if you can make your dealer guarantee that you will get the car by a certain date and if not, not only do you get your deposit back but you get like 1000 bucks off the msrp or something.
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I wrote into my deal "subject to delivery by March 1, 2003". That is when my lease on my Pathfinder expired. If it comes in early, we've already agreed that they will drop the lease on the Pathfinder and I'll take delivery on the Z then. I don't really have a problem waiting until March if that's the case. There will be no problem getting my deposit back either.
I spoke to my contact at my dealer today and they will have the report printout containing the production schedule for my car tomorrow. Expecting to have my October production confirmed on that and that I should expect my car delivered about 8 weeks after that. He absolutely reassured me that I will be taking delivery on mine before the end of this year (which is good!) He even went as far as to say that if I wanted one earlier, that he could do that too (but it wouldn't be what I had ordered, I'd just have to take what I got).
I'm scheduled to speak with him again tomorrow concerning this report. Then I'll be satisfied.
Interesting to note that the US Nissan site is stating over 2000 pre-orders. That's sure a LONG way off of the 7000 that I've heard. If that is the case, then it would make sense that the 500-700 number was the number of Canadian pre-orders possibly. Just a thought.
I spoke to my contact at my dealer today and they will have the report printout containing the production schedule for my car tomorrow. Expecting to have my October production confirmed on that and that I should expect my car delivered about 8 weeks after that. He absolutely reassured me that I will be taking delivery on mine before the end of this year (which is good!) He even went as far as to say that if I wanted one earlier, that he could do that too (but it wouldn't be what I had ordered, I'd just have to take what I got).
I'm scheduled to speak with him again tomorrow concerning this report. Then I'll be satisfied.
Interesting to note that the US Nissan site is stating over 2000 pre-orders. That's sure a LONG way off of the 7000 that I've heard. If that is the case, then it would make sense that the 500-700 number was the number of Canadian pre-orders possibly. Just a thought.
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Just to add to this conversation. The dealer where my girlfriend was having her Pulsar fixed told her that there was an original allocation for Z's at each dealer. Once those were gone, they were told that they'd get one new Z every two months.
Just another story to add to the mix I guess eh?
Just another story to add to the mix I guess eh?