anyone read SCC ?
This is the only article I am aware of that I have not read. I saw it in the store and noticed they changed the muffler and actually got less HP. Is this true? Can someone please give an overview?
BTW I think the acceleration times are getting worse as we go along. I'm starting to get a little depressed. Can someone please get a 1/4 mile time less than 14 sec? (I am not counting 13.94 sec because that sounds like 14 sec to me)
BTW I think the acceleration times are getting worse as we go along. I'm starting to get a little depressed. Can someone please get a 1/4 mile time less than 14 sec? (I am not counting 13.94 sec because that sounds like 14 sec to me)
This is what they say in conclusion
"We know now, for example, that Nissan has delivered a piece of hardware that can be easily be made into a giant-killing track machine. We also learned that they didn't screw around with the engine. The simple stuff, like the muffler and the intake, were pretty well done from the factory. There will be gains to be had there, but nothing huge. Simple tricks with ignition timing probably won't yield much either, as this car appeared to be visiting the knock sensor even in stock tune. Handling is easy and stopping shouldn't be much work."
It'll be a year or two before i do any performance mods so i'm not really worried. That is plenty of development time.
"We know now, for example, that Nissan has delivered a piece of hardware that can be easily be made into a giant-killing track machine. We also learned that they didn't screw around with the engine. The simple stuff, like the muffler and the intake, were pretty well done from the factory. There will be gains to be had there, but nothing huge. Simple tricks with ignition timing probably won't yield much either, as this car appeared to be visiting the knock sensor even in stock tune. Handling is easy and stopping shouldn't be much work."
It'll be a year or two before i do any performance mods so i'm not really worried. That is plenty of development time.
I was happy to hear Raceboy give his review of how the car was balanced in the twisties... he mentioned that the stock suspension was great, however, a larger rear sway bar would help get the rear end out easier...
ay droidekaus,
you ever actually read SCC? or do you just stereotype it with all the other import enthusiast type magazines?
if you ever picked one up and read it... they dont really feature ricey cars with big wings and stickers... they write alot of technical articles involving everything from proper lines to follow through a corner, to thermodynamic efficiency of turbos all the way to the politics and economics of state laws involving enthusiast issues like modified exhausts and legal ride heights.
a friend of mine is a writer and photographer for them... he is one of the most anti-rice guys you'll ever meet... he's a mechanical engineer working at nissan headquarters in gardena, ca. most of the other writers at SCC are just like him... smart engineer types definitely all about go versus show.
no, i dont work for him or the magazine, i am just tired of all the ignorant prejudice against anything so called rice... you guys all seem to call anything japanese that aint a Z or done up in a matter to your taste rice... that's ridiculous... just cuz someone has a fwd car modified in a style not to your liking doesn't give you the right to act like you're superior. I know several guys with civics, integras, eclipses that will blow the doors off your 350Zs from stoplight to stoplight, on the highway, at the autox and at the track on a roadcourse.
i been in the import scene for over 10 years now... but that doesnt mean i ever had, have or plan on having a car with a big wing and lots of stickers... it does mean i pay alot of attention to detail when it comes to alot of different cars and their modifications... but i bet you just call anything with a bodykit rice. I frequent this site alot because i am a nissan fan... and a proud owner of a twinturbo 300ZX... and in time hopefully a 350Z owner.
It just bothers me that Z people, can have such a negative attitude about fellow imports... and the scene surrounding modifiying imports... SCC magazine will probably be the only other magazine to have informative articles about modifying your 350Z. You should spend some time at domestic message boards or chats... you'll see how your precious 350Z is considered rice just like any other import by plenty of v8 american iron fans.
you ever actually read SCC? or do you just stereotype it with all the other import enthusiast type magazines?
if you ever picked one up and read it... they dont really feature ricey cars with big wings and stickers... they write alot of technical articles involving everything from proper lines to follow through a corner, to thermodynamic efficiency of turbos all the way to the politics and economics of state laws involving enthusiast issues like modified exhausts and legal ride heights.
a friend of mine is a writer and photographer for them... he is one of the most anti-rice guys you'll ever meet... he's a mechanical engineer working at nissan headquarters in gardena, ca. most of the other writers at SCC are just like him... smart engineer types definitely all about go versus show.
no, i dont work for him or the magazine, i am just tired of all the ignorant prejudice against anything so called rice... you guys all seem to call anything japanese that aint a Z or done up in a matter to your taste rice... that's ridiculous... just cuz someone has a fwd car modified in a style not to your liking doesn't give you the right to act like you're superior. I know several guys with civics, integras, eclipses that will blow the doors off your 350Zs from stoplight to stoplight, on the highway, at the autox and at the track on a roadcourse.
i been in the import scene for over 10 years now... but that doesnt mean i ever had, have or plan on having a car with a big wing and lots of stickers... it does mean i pay alot of attention to detail when it comes to alot of different cars and their modifications... but i bet you just call anything with a bodykit rice. I frequent this site alot because i am a nissan fan... and a proud owner of a twinturbo 300ZX... and in time hopefully a 350Z owner.
It just bothers me that Z people, can have such a negative attitude about fellow imports... and the scene surrounding modifiying imports... SCC magazine will probably be the only other magazine to have informative articles about modifying your 350Z. You should spend some time at domestic message boards or chats... you'll see how your precious 350Z is considered rice just like any other import by plenty of v8 american iron fans.
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Thank You dwnlojedi so much for that last post. I have been a subscriber to SCC For about 3 years now and that mag is one of the few mags that spend a lot of time on the performance side of the import scene. I love their project cars and feature cars. Oh and by the way they do know how to launch a rwd car cuz they have a 300zx & RX-7 project cars with insane amounts of horsepower. The 244hp and 238 ft/lbs of torque is the most accurate reading I have read so far out of all magazime articles and Nissan press releases. This number is RWHP not crank.
So thanks again dwnlojedi for the excellant post.
Adam
So thanks again dwnlojedi for the excellant post.
Adam
Originally posted by dwnlojedi
*snip* ay droidekaus, you ever actually read SCC? *snip*
*snip* ay droidekaus, you ever actually read SCC? *snip*
But hey, you've got your opinion and I've got mine.
i'm just glad to know there are at least a few other Z people that actually read the magazine and understand where it is I am coming from...
it annoys me all to hell how closed minded some people on this site are... dont get me wrong i point and laugh with my friends about ricey cars, but i think being in the scene so long i can honestly tell the difference between a clean civic with a nice paint job and polished, worked, turbo'd motor versus the guy with a primered kit falling off and nothing but a welded on generic muffler and 4inch tip. There is a definite distinction.
it annoys me all to hell how closed minded some people on this site are... dont get me wrong i point and laugh with my friends about ricey cars, but i think being in the scene so long i can honestly tell the difference between a clean civic with a nice paint job and polished, worked, turbo'd motor versus the guy with a primered kit falling off and nothing but a welded on generic muffler and 4inch tip. There is a definite distinction.
droid,
*if* you have read it then you would know you're wrong... the only UNstealthy cars that typically make it into SCC are japanese tuner cars... with wild kits and lots of stickers... but they almost always have the heat to back up the look... if you ever read the magazine.. you'd see several project cars are rwd cars like miatas, rx7s, a 300ZX, etc... most of those projects are practically stickerless and devoid of any UNstealthy body kits or spoilers...
owning your 5th japanese car has nothing to do with the ease at which you throw around the word rice. maybe saying you dont like anything japanese that isn't a Z was too broad of a statement, but i stand fast to the rest of my assumptions about your superior attitude to so called rice.
but hey you are right... we are all entitled to our opinions... i guess i just got tired of hearing yours.
*if* you have read it then you would know you're wrong... the only UNstealthy cars that typically make it into SCC are japanese tuner cars... with wild kits and lots of stickers... but they almost always have the heat to back up the look... if you ever read the magazine.. you'd see several project cars are rwd cars like miatas, rx7s, a 300ZX, etc... most of those projects are practically stickerless and devoid of any UNstealthy body kits or spoilers...
owning your 5th japanese car has nothing to do with the ease at which you throw around the word rice. maybe saying you dont like anything japanese that isn't a Z was too broad of a statement, but i stand fast to the rest of my assumptions about your superior attitude to so called rice.
but hey you are right... we are all entitled to our opinions... i guess i just got tired of hearing yours.
I think a lot of us here (I can only speek for myself) are acutely aware of the stigma of RICE. AKA the fast and the furious.
My target car is an M3, and Boxster S. Several magazines have made this reference and say the 350Z is in the same league as M3 in handling departmet. (I'm not saying power or speed, but style and handling).
M3 owners in particular (not so much Boxster owners) are big into thinking their cars are better than others. Now throw in the fact that a track 350Z costs $15-20K less than a M3 and they will go ballistic if you ask them about the Z.
Therefore we are going in the oppisite direction so as not to give the M3 owners any ammunition against the 350Z. If the Z gets an image of 21" chrome wheels, 4" inch exhaust, park bench rear wing, ect... than the M3 owners will be in heaven.
I don't know what the problem is with american V8's as far as the owners not liking the 350Z, I think they are two different types of cars and one is no threat to the other.
My target car is an M3, and Boxster S. Several magazines have made this reference and say the 350Z is in the same league as M3 in handling departmet. (I'm not saying power or speed, but style and handling).
M3 owners in particular (not so much Boxster owners) are big into thinking their cars are better than others. Now throw in the fact that a track 350Z costs $15-20K less than a M3 and they will go ballistic if you ask them about the Z.
Therefore we are going in the oppisite direction so as not to give the M3 owners any ammunition against the 350Z. If the Z gets an image of 21" chrome wheels, 4" inch exhaust, park bench rear wing, ect... than the M3 owners will be in heaven.
I don't know what the problem is with american V8's as far as the owners not liking the 350Z, I think they are two different types of cars and one is no threat to the other.
Originally posted by dwnlojedi
droid,
*if* you have read it then you would know you're wrong... the only UNstealthy cars that typically make it into SCC are japanese tuner cars... with wild kits and lots of stickers... but they almost always have the heat to back up the look... if you ever read the magazine.. you'd see several project cars are rwd cars like miatas, rx7s, a 300ZX, etc... most of those projects are practically stickerless and devoid of any UNstealthy body kits or spoilers...
owning your 5th japanese car has nothing to do with the ease at which you throw around the word rice. maybe saying you dont like anything japanese that isn't a Z was too broad of a statement, but i stand fast to the rest of my assumptions about your superior attitude to so called rice.
but hey you are right... we are all entitled to our opinions... i guess i just got tired of hearing yours.
droid,
*if* you have read it then you would know you're wrong... the only UNstealthy cars that typically make it into SCC are japanese tuner cars... with wild kits and lots of stickers... but they almost always have the heat to back up the look... if you ever read the magazine.. you'd see several project cars are rwd cars like miatas, rx7s, a 300ZX, etc... most of those projects are practically stickerless and devoid of any UNstealthy body kits or spoilers...
owning your 5th japanese car has nothing to do with the ease at which you throw around the word rice. maybe saying you dont like anything japanese that isn't a Z was too broad of a statement, but i stand fast to the rest of my assumptions about your superior attitude to so called rice.
but hey you are right... we are all entitled to our opinions... i guess i just got tired of hearing yours.
I couldn't give a rat's *** what SCC does with the Z now, or in the future. I'm looking to NISMO for my mods and nowhere else.
hahaha uhh yikes... either you dont understand what i have been saying or you really have never read an SCC...
what you posted there is ABSOLUTELY RICE... not just rice but domestic rice...
the point is you NEVER see rides like that in SCC, except maybe in the readers rides section... but never as a featured car or as an SCC project car...
what you posted there is ABSOLUTELY RICE... not just rice but domestic rice...
the point is you NEVER see rides like that in SCC, except maybe in the readers rides section... but never as a featured car or as an SCC project car...
i like scc there funny
and i dont think there rice
i dont really dont think any mags are rice
even import tuner, those cars are sooo modified and people put so much money into them...
some are just for show, some go
and i read the scc article..
it was funny,good,informative
and i dont think there rice
i dont really dont think any mags are rice
even import tuner, those cars are sooo modified and people put so much money into them...
some are just for show, some go
and i read the scc article..
it was funny,good,informative
Originally posted by dwnlojedi
hahaha uhh yikes... either you dont understand what i have been saying or you really have never read an SCC...
what you posted there is ABSOLUTELY RICE... not just rice but domestic rice...
the point is you NEVER see rides like that in SCC, except maybe in the readers rides section... but never as a featured car or as an SCC project car...
hahaha uhh yikes... either you dont understand what i have been saying or you really have never read an SCC...
what you posted there is ABSOLUTELY RICE... not just rice but domestic rice...
the point is you NEVER see rides like that in SCC, except maybe in the readers rides section... but never as a featured car or as an SCC project car...
Truth be told, and something that you need to understand, the subject matter of SCC has never appealed to me. I shoot for a much higher benchmark in my ownership aspirations which at the current time are just not going to happen (read: 996C4S). Something about trying to convince my wife that $1,500 car payments are a good thing.
The Z is a great stopgap at this time for me. After all, wasn't it originally designated as the poor man's Porsche?
I used to subscribed to: Turbo Magazine, Sport Compact Cars, Super Street, etc. I learned some tips for modifing my 96 Integra, and how I can keep it look "CLEAN".. I think the definition of RICE is cars that doesn't have the go, but wanna be with the go ppl, so they slap on stickers with parts they don't even own, big *** wing, etc, etc. But there are tuners that knows what they are doing, and actually has cars to back it up.
I think most of us here are not RICE type of ppl, even though we modify our imports to make it better. That's my 2 cents.
I think most of us here are not RICE type of ppl, even though we modify our imports to make it better. That's my 2 cents.
Originally posted by rai
This is the only article I am aware of that I have not read. I saw it in the store and noticed they changed the muffler and actually got less HP. Is this true? Can someone please give an overview?
BTW I think the acceleration times are getting worse as we go along. I'm starting to get a little depressed. Can someone please get a 1/4 mile time less than 14 sec? (I am not counting 13.94 sec because that sounds like 14 sec to me)
This is the only article I am aware of that I have not read. I saw it in the store and noticed they changed the muffler and actually got less HP. Is this true? Can someone please give an overview?
BTW I think the acceleration times are getting worse as we go along. I'm starting to get a little depressed. Can someone please get a 1/4 mile time less than 14 sec? (I am not counting 13.94 sec because that sounds like 14 sec to me)
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I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say confused -- insights into SCC's latest ultimata. Let's review the errors in SCC's statements in order. First, everything SCC writes is unreadably desultory. If SCC wants to be taken seriously, it should counter the arguments in this letter with facts, not illogical panaceas, personal anecdotes, or insults. I need your help if I'm ever to offer true constructive criticism -- listening to the whole issue, recognizing the problems, recognizing what is being done right, and getting involved to help remedy the problem. "But I'm only one person," you might protest. "What difference can I make?" The answer is: a lot more than you think. You see, several things SCC has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement of its that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how obscurity, evasiveness, incomprehensibility, indirectness, and ambiguity are marks of depth and brilliance.
Since SCC claims to know more than the rest of us, I'm sure it is aware that once people obtain the critical skills that enable them to think and reflect and speculate independently, they'll realize that there is something grievously wrong with those garrulous so-called experts who advocate SCC's statements amid a hue and cry as spiteful as it is asinine. Shame on the lot of them! If you need proof that the doom-and-gloom, it's-too-late crowd always plays right into the hands of illiterate **** stars, then just take a look at SCC. There is a simple answer to the question of what to do about SCC's disquisitions. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must let SCC know, in no uncertain terms, that its henchmen must be exposed and neutralized wherever they lurk. I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that SCC is up to, the more shocking things, things like how it wants to make higher education accessible only to those in the higher echelons of society. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but it wants us to believe that tactless, inhumane deadbeats have dramatically lower incidences of cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, and many other illnesses than the rest of us. How stupid does it think we are? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: Why do its cringers want to ingratiate themselves with it? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but it says that anyone who disagrees with it is ultimately snippy. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. If you want to clear up these muddied waters with some reality, then tell everyone you know the truth, that my goal is to empower the oppressed to control their own lives. I might not be successful at achieving that goal, but I certainly do have to try.
So, SCC, maybe the problem is not with repressive dweebs, but with you. SCC can fool some of the people all of the time. It can fool all of the people some of the time. But it can't fool all of the people all of the time. Unquestionably, either SCC has no real conception of the sweep of history, or it is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context. "SCC" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone con us into believing that without SCC's superior guidance, we will go nowhere, I tell him or her to stop "SCC-ing". Finally, whatever your thoughts or feelings about SCC are, I urge you to help me prevent the production of a new crop of acrimonious, dour goofballs.
Since SCC claims to know more than the rest of us, I'm sure it is aware that once people obtain the critical skills that enable them to think and reflect and speculate independently, they'll realize that there is something grievously wrong with those garrulous so-called experts who advocate SCC's statements amid a hue and cry as spiteful as it is asinine. Shame on the lot of them! If you need proof that the doom-and-gloom, it's-too-late crowd always plays right into the hands of illiterate **** stars, then just take a look at SCC. There is a simple answer to the question of what to do about SCC's disquisitions. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must let SCC know, in no uncertain terms, that its henchmen must be exposed and neutralized wherever they lurk. I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that SCC is up to, the more shocking things, things like how it wants to make higher education accessible only to those in the higher echelons of society. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but it wants us to believe that tactless, inhumane deadbeats have dramatically lower incidences of cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, and many other illnesses than the rest of us. How stupid does it think we are? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: Why do its cringers want to ingratiate themselves with it? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but it says that anyone who disagrees with it is ultimately snippy. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. If you want to clear up these muddied waters with some reality, then tell everyone you know the truth, that my goal is to empower the oppressed to control their own lives. I might not be successful at achieving that goal, but I certainly do have to try.
So, SCC, maybe the problem is not with repressive dweebs, but with you. SCC can fool some of the people all of the time. It can fool all of the people some of the time. But it can't fool all of the people all of the time. Unquestionably, either SCC has no real conception of the sweep of history, or it is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context. "SCC" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone con us into believing that without SCC's superior guidance, we will go nowhere, I tell him or her to stop "SCC-ing". Finally, whatever your thoughts or feelings about SCC are, I urge you to help me prevent the production of a new crop of acrimonious, dour goofballs.




