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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 10:31 AM
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Pretty sure the ratio of unsprung vs sprung weight is close to 1:4.

So for every 1lb of unsprung weight removed is almost equal to removing 4lbs of sprung weight.
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
seems wrong to me. If u buy exhaust/spacer and test pipes and cant feel a difference then u have something wrong with ur car/butt
Ur butt dyno will feel something. But dyno the care stock vs little bolt ons with the DE, it's not that impressive. U don't get a lot until u tune for it afterwards. Oh coarse u feel something., **** I put a new shift **** on the car and I think its faster mind over matter
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 11:48 AM
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I vote for lighter wheels.
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by andrew's 350Z
Ur butt dyno will feel something. But dyno the care stock vs little bolt ons with the DE, it's not that impressive. U don't get a lot until u tune for it afterwards. Oh coarse u feel something., **** I put a new shift **** on the car and I think its faster mind over matter
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 12:19 PM
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If you want to measure the difference of stock vs lighter wheels, go to the track and compare time slips
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 12:27 PM
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Small wheels = lots of tires to choose from. I don't think you'll notice the gains other than dyno gain #'s...

Gluck!
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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I vote full exhaust. Less weight, better sound, some performance.
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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I found some comments I made on another site shortly after I got my SSR's (~16lbs each)


Originally Posted by Z1NONLY
Acceleration, braking and turning all feel "easier," for lack of a better word. My butt-o-meter says acceleration is better. Kind of like the difference between driving on a cold day vs. driving on a day when the air is hot. The car just feels more willing to do what I ask of it. The car responds to steering input a little quicker yet also feels more stable and "planted." (Some of this may have to do with the fact that the tires are no longer squeezed onto the smallest wheels allowable.)

I didn't really expect a noticable difference in performance until after I got the bigger tires but I have been pleasantly suprised.
I also found a post I made about bringing my test and tune times down from 41.9 to 41.6 after installing the wheels.
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 05:20 PM
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THe relationship between weight, horsepower and ET? Someone smarter than me has figured it out: http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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Lighter wheels will go along way. more so than the spacer and exhaust imo. besides, i forgot what tuner mag it was but they kept stock sespension, switched to Lighter wheels (rpf1's acually) and hotchikis sways and pulled a G on the skidpad.

So all in all Wheels is they way to go. Those were the only two supporting mods, rpf1's and hotchkis sways.
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 03:23 PM
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I am studying mechanical engineering and can confirm that unsprung weight and sprung weight are completely different... not sure what the ratio is... also when talking about tire weight, the difference cant be measured by a simple ratio, when removing weight off of a wheel, the weight difference increases exponentially as speed increases... this is because it is a rotating mass...... the faster you go, the more difference will be felt basically.... loosing unsprung weight and reducing rotating mass, now thats killing two birds with one stone if you ask me
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by js4506
shaving about 30lbs of rotating unsprung weight off my car.
The subject is 8 years old. Some of our Physics majors have chimed in on rotating mass. Unfortunately the mathematics is well over the heads of us commoners.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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I vote for lighter wheels
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 09:31 AM
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do one now.....and then save up, or whatever you have to do and do the other... its that simple. Why would you stop after lighter wheels or exhaut?
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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tuning is all about making your car better in every way without sacrifice. the smaller the wheel is the less of a contact patch there is so your car will handle worse with 17s. manufacturers put 19s on not cuz it looks pretty but cuz it performs better. I just took off the idler pulley and it made a noticeable difference in perf. the idler pulley right next to the power steering pulley has a crap berring in it and is a huge, unnecessary drag on the crank. get light rims but not small rims and get exhaust.
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by G&Z
the smaller the wheel is the less of a contact patch there is so your car will handle worse with 17s. manufacturers put 19s on not cuz it looks pretty but cuz it performs better.
Wat????
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 04:49 PM
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do the lighter wheels
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by G&Z
tuning is all about making your car better in every way without sacrifice. the smaller the wheel is the less of a contact patch there is so your car will handle worse with 17s. manufacturers put 19s on not cuz it looks pretty but cuz it performs better. I just took off the idler pulley and it made a noticeable difference in perf. the idler pulley right next to the power steering pulley has a crap berring in it and is a huge, unnecessary drag on the crank. get light rims but not small rims and get exhaust.
Motor Trend or Tire Rack did a study on wheel size. They found 17s or 18s to grip better than a 19" wheel when keep the same overal tire height.

Have you seen F1 cars? How about NASCAR? Indy? They all have a high aspect ratio on their tires (read: fat sidewalls). Keeps the rotating mass closer to the axis, and reduces the interia of each rotating assembly. That barrel weighs something, and it is harder to accelerate when it's at closer to the road.

The only exception could be GT cars ,they have relatively large wheels. No explanation for that one... dueces on that subject.

Short sidewalls give great turn in response but don't quite "comply" to the road like a higher aspect ratio tire could. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by G&Z
tuning is all about making your car better in every way without sacrifice. the smaller the wheel is the less of a contact patch there is so your car will handle worse with 17s. manufacturers put 19s on not cuz it looks pretty but cuz it performs better.
Please don't try to help

BTW what is the difference in contact patch on a 275/40-17 mounted on a 17x9.5 and a 275/30-19 mounted on a 19x9.5?
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Old Feb 13, 2011 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by G&Z
tuning is all about making your car better in every way without sacrifice. the smaller the wheel is the less of a contact patch there is so your car will handle worse with 17s. manufacturers put 19s on not cuz it looks pretty but cuz it performs better. I just took off the idler pulley and it made a noticeable difference in perf. the idler pulley right next to the power steering pulley has a crap berring in it and is a huge, unnecessary drag on the crank. get light rims but not small rims and get exhaust.
..... and that's why you only have 9 posts in 5 years....
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