Are 350zs the most taken apart car and never put back together?
02-12-2022, 06:43 PM
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02-13-2022, 06:25 AM
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Locally used cars are at an all time high. A used 10 year old SUV is worth more now than 3 years ago and 30k less miles.
02-13-2022, 07:03 AM
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The first 350z I had I sold it and made $2700 after doing stuff like putting the clips and bolts back factory and a few other things.
My car I have now I have been offered nearly 4000 more than I paid the main reason is it is all perfectly stock except Z1 hatch shocks.
Putting a 1000 in it making it new and stock will make you more profit than going aftermarket. I even put new pads on it from Nissan.
In the southeast stock cars are worth alot more than a one than has had 1000s of aftermarket parts installed.
Right now a 2003-2005 car less than a 100,000 in good shape is a 11-12k car all day.
My car I have now I have been offered nearly 4000 more than I paid the main reason is it is all perfectly stock except Z1 hatch shocks.
Putting a 1000 in it making it new and stock will make you more profit than going aftermarket. I even put new pads on it from Nissan.
In the southeast stock cars are worth alot more than a one than has had 1000s of aftermarket parts installed.
Right now a 2003-2005 car less than a 100,000 in good shape is a 11-12k car all day.
02-13-2022, 07:35 AM
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Local guy buys sports cars all the time fixes them up drives them a year then sells them at a profit.He is a car enthusiast.
02-13-2022, 09:05 AM
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Just different view points. I would have a problem if what I was doing to a car was lowering the value for a daily driver. Race car is different.
Local guy buys sports cars all the time fixes them up drives them a year then sells them at a profit.He is a car enthusiast.
Local guy buys sports cars all the time fixes them up drives them a year then sells them at a profit.He is a car enthusiast.
I have done this for many years of my life as well, but my focus was never on the value I’m bringing to the car, I would buy a car in winter or spring, modify the car to my tastes, then list it for sale in the winter to avoid storing it, most of the time the car would sell for more that I paid, but it was also modified to my taste, not returned to stock.
02-13-2022, 09:50 AM
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Yes of course, which is what I and others are trying to say to you. Nothing wrong with what they’re doing, just different opinions on mods.
I have done this for many years of my life as well, but my focus was never on the value I’m bringing to the car, I would buy a car in winter or spring, modify the car to my tastes, then list it for sale in the winter to avoid storing it, most of the time the car would sell for more that I paid, but it was also modified to my taste, not returned to stock.
I have done this for many years of my life as well, but my focus was never on the value I’m bringing to the car, I would buy a car in winter or spring, modify the car to my tastes, then list it for sale in the winter to avoid storing it, most of the time the car would sell for more that I paid, but it was also modified to my taste, not returned to stock.
Car A completely stock has new Michelins interior is in great shape 95,000 miles. Clean from bumper to bumper except a few paints chips.
Car B 95,000 miles Has aftermarket wheels customer traded factory wheels away, hatch does not work, hatch shocks are shot and on upside down, hatch will not stay up at all, no spare tire and missing jack parts owner does not have them, interior pieces in hatch area are missing owner sold them on ebay, nothing but bare metal showing in hatch area, has a racing seat for drivers, factory seat in passenger, door panels are missing but owner has them but they are damage because of removing with pry bar to install high dollar speakers, drivers door glass is loose and rattles, drivers door handle is broke, wheel wells are loose and rattle have no clips, all lower engine covers are missing, under hood looks like a bomb went off. Car is lowered, with hugh tires that rub over bumps and tight turns, tires are Chinese ebay that are shot and make a ton of road noise. Car has a ton of air noise because hatch will not shut due to shocks being on upside down and drivers window needs adjusting. Customer claims he has 7k in after market parts.
Asking price is 12k for either car which one do you buy? Unless some 16 year old kid is making the choice. People with a credit score over 720 what car do they buy.
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02-13-2022, 07:22 PM
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Example you are buying a 350z got it down to 2 cars.
Car A completely stock has new Michelins interior is in great shape 95,000 miles. Clean from bumper to bumper except a few paints chips.
Car B 95,000 miles Has aftermarket wheels customer traded factory wheels away, hatch does not work, hatch shocks are shot and on upside down, hatch will not stay up at all, no spare tire and missing jack parts owner does not have them, interior pieces in hatch area are missing owner sold them on ebay, nothing but bare metal showing in hatch area, has a racing seat for drivers, factory seat in passenger, door panels are missing but owner has them but they are damage because of removing with pry bar to install high dollar speakers, drivers door glass is loose and rattles, drivers door handle is broke, wheel wells are loose and rattle have no clips, all lower engine covers are missing, under hood looks like a bomb went off. Car is lowered, with hugh tires that rub over bumps and tight turns, tires are Chinese ebay that are shot and make a ton of road noise. Car has a ton of air noise because hatch will not shut due to shocks being on upside down and drivers window needs adjusting. Customer claims he has 7k in after market parts.
Asking price is 12k for either car which one do you buy? Unless some 16 year old kid is making the choice. People with a credit score over 720 what car do they buy.
Car A completely stock has new Michelins interior is in great shape 95,000 miles. Clean from bumper to bumper except a few paints chips.
Car B 95,000 miles Has aftermarket wheels customer traded factory wheels away, hatch does not work, hatch shocks are shot and on upside down, hatch will not stay up at all, no spare tire and missing jack parts owner does not have them, interior pieces in hatch area are missing owner sold them on ebay, nothing but bare metal showing in hatch area, has a racing seat for drivers, factory seat in passenger, door panels are missing but owner has them but they are damage because of removing with pry bar to install high dollar speakers, drivers door glass is loose and rattles, drivers door handle is broke, wheel wells are loose and rattle have no clips, all lower engine covers are missing, under hood looks like a bomb went off. Car is lowered, with hugh tires that rub over bumps and tight turns, tires are Chinese ebay that are shot and make a ton of road noise. Car has a ton of air noise because hatch will not shut due to shocks being on upside down and drivers window needs adjusting. Customer claims he has 7k in after market parts.
Asking price is 12k for either car which one do you buy? Unless some 16 year old kid is making the choice. People with a credit score over 720 what car do they buy.
But again, you’re missing the point, your opinion of what is a proper car is meaningless, many enthusiasts have a different opinion than you. So if your opinion is that a car should be completely stock, and stay completely stock then where is the fun and why are you even at a car show? Maybe you’d feel more comfortable at the Concours show or something.
02-13-2022, 07:44 PM
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Well, I know what parts cost, so I buy the modded car.
But again, you’re missing the point, your opinion of what is a proper car is meaningless, many enthusiasts have a different opinion than you. So if your opinion is that a car should be completely stock, and stay completely stock then where is the fun and why are you even at a car show? Maybe you’d feel more comfortable at the Concours show or something.
But again, you’re missing the point, your opinion of what is a proper car is meaningless, many enthusiasts have a different opinion than you. So if your opinion is that a car should be completely stock, and stay completely stock then where is the fun and why are you even at a car show? Maybe you’d feel more comfortable at the Concours show or something.
Like a guy told me 1 time are you a bondo man or or a steel man.
Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If I wanna see junk I can go to a junk yard. I like them stock or modified but very nice.
02-13-2022, 07:52 PM
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I have been going to car shows most likely before you were born. The car shows I attend would not allow a a junked out car as I described in prior post. Not saying completely stock but if you are gonna modify the car do it where the car is still very nice and appealing not something that looks like two drunk 16 year olds in their back yard did the work.
Like a guy told me 1 time are you a bondo man or or a steel man.
Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If I wanna see junk I can go to a junk yard. I like them stock or modified but very nice.
Like a guy told me 1 time are you a bondo man or or a steel man.
Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If I wanna see junk I can go to a junk yard. I like them stock or modified but very nice.
02-14-2022, 05:03 AM
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I like the to think that personal vehicles are a reflection of the owner. I modify my vehicles to my standards and preferences. They're extensions of myself. As the Z33 depreciates with age and mileage, they become more affordable and the buyer that is picking up one for less than $5K with a salvage/rebuilt title probably doesn't have priorities such as fixing the cosmetic things that are wrong with it. The Z33 interior is cheap and breaks. When popping off panels, half of those plastic rivet clips will get destroyed as plastic becomes more brittle with age. If they don't have the money to buy an unmolested Z, they likely don't have the money to fix stuff that is wrong with it, or things that they break when throwing on fleabay parts.
While it's sad and disappointing to see a beautiful machine that's been ruined or improperly maintained, what are you going to do? At the end of the day, you're not the one that has to stare at it in your driveway.
While it's sad and disappointing to see a beautiful machine that's been ruined or improperly maintained, what are you going to do? At the end of the day, you're not the one that has to stare at it in your driveway.
02-14-2022, 05:27 AM
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I like the to think that personal vehicles are a reflection of the owner. I modify my vehicles to my standards and preferences. They're extensions of myself. As the Z33 depreciates with age and mileage, they become more affordable and the buyer that is picking up one for less than $5K with a salvage/rebuilt title probably doesn't have priorities such as fixing the cosmetic things that are wrong with it. The Z33 interior is cheap and breaks. When popping off panels, half of those plastic rivet clips will get destroyed as plastic becomes more brittle with age. If they don't have the money to buy an unmolested Z, they likely don't have the money to fix stuff that is wrong with it, or things that they break when throwing on fleabay parts.
While it's sad and disappointing to see a beautiful machine that's been ruined or improperly maintained, what are you going to do? At the end of the day, you're not the one that has to stare at it in your driveway.
While it's sad and disappointing to see a beautiful machine that's been ruined or improperly maintained, what are you going to do? At the end of the day, you're not the one that has to stare at it in your driveway.
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02-14-2022, 08:58 AM
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$7 on Amazon for 50 of the black clips, even better. I also ordered a few different sized for my other cars
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02-14-2022, 10:25 AM
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If the clips break you go to the parts store and buy more. If you can't afford a 3 dollar box of clips why are you modifying a 350z to start with. Here is a picture of the correct door panel clips. This is not rocket science. I have taken off probably 40 different door panels for people fixing power window, window loose, adjusting window for wind noise shimming the door check/stop etc. I always say before you come to the house buy 2 boxes of this part number. If they don't have the 2 boxes with them I send them own their way. If they can't get organized enough to pick up 2 boxes of clips I'm not gonna help them for free. Woman friend of the family before Christmas needed a power window motor she bought the motor off amazon I texted her and said pick these 2 boxes of clips with part # she shows up without the clips . I sent her away and she ended up at the dealer they would not use her amazon window motor so they charged her 400 plus for a new nissan motor plus charged her 18 for new clips and 1.5 in labor. Total bill was $669 plus this girl got an *** chewing from her daddy. All because she refused to go to Oreillys and buy $6 in clips. I try to help people with 350zs every day but some are just to stupid to be helped. So this woman instead of just paying 109 for the Amazon motor and $6 in clips my free labor she rather do her way and pay $669 these are kind of people who own cars.
The example about the female family friend exemplifies the lack of taking some initiative to only waste money in the end. Dump people drive cars. Dumb people drive Zs. It's inevitable. I'm not saying all Z drivers are dumb, but I bet that the Z owners who have let their Z fall into a state of disrepair are either too lazy or just too dumb to put them back together.
Now where's a post from that member with his old man rant asking people to kindly mind the grass...
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02-14-2022, 11:12 AM
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You raise several interesting points that relate to your original question that started this thread. Plenty of people out there modify their Z when they clearly can't afford it. I've seen too many FS ads where a 15+ year old car is listed for some obscene amount and there isn't even a clear title and money is still owed on it. People overextend themselves all the time - especially this younger generation that buys a thousand dollar phone but then cries about not having any money to make rent. It just happens. A <$10 box of panel clips is out of reach when there are more pointless things to buy and waste money even though you're living paycheck to paycheck. It's just a different way to live and spend money. Personally, I think that with the exception of real estate, if you can't pay cash, you can't afford it. I'm clearly in the minority in this mindset, but what can you do? People just don't get it.
The example about the female family friend exemplifies the lack of taking some initiative to only waste money in the end. Dump people drive cars. Dumb people drive Zs. It's inevitable. I'm not saying all Z drivers are dumb, but I bet that the Z owners who have let their Z fall into a state of disrepair are either too lazy or just too dumb to put them back together.
Now where's a post from that member with his old man rant asking people to kindly mind the grass...
The example about the female family friend exemplifies the lack of taking some initiative to only waste money in the end. Dump people drive cars. Dumb people drive Zs. It's inevitable. I'm not saying all Z drivers are dumb, but I bet that the Z owners who have let their Z fall into a state of disrepair are either too lazy or just too dumb to put them back together.
Now where's a post from that member with his old man rant asking people to kindly mind the grass...
02-14-2022, 11:18 AM
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I have been going to car shows most likely before you were born. The car shows I attend would not allow a a junked out car as I described in prior post. Not saying completely stock but if you are gonna modify the car do it where the car is still very nice and appealing not something that looks like two drunk 16 year olds in their back yard did the work.
Like a guy told me 1 time are you a bondo man or or a steel man.
Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If I wanna see junk I can go to a junk yard. I like them stock or modified but very nice.
Like a guy told me 1 time are you a bondo man or or a steel man.
Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If I wanna see junk I can go to a junk yard. I like them stock or modified but very nice.
Hit a nerve with me? No, not even close. I’m just sharing an opinion, same as you are, not sure why you’re taking this so seriously.
02-15-2022, 05:06 AM
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I suppose that’s possible, but not sure why it’s relevant in this discussion…….are you implying I’m younger than you and don’t deserve to make my own decisions on modding cars?
Hit a nerve with me? No, not even close. I’m just sharing an opinion, same as you are, not sure why you’re taking this so seriously.
Hit a nerve with me? No, not even close. I’m just sharing an opinion, same as you are, not sure why you’re taking this so seriously.
02-15-2022, 07:27 AM
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If they own their $750K pool house outright, then the Z is an interesting choice for a car for a family with that much money.
I hate to say it, but if I had that kind of money, I'd be driving something else.
Maybe...
Or, we chalk the junkyard Z to laziness or stupidity. lol.
I hate to say it, but if I had that kind of money, I'd be driving something else.
Maybe...
Or, we chalk the junkyard Z to laziness or stupidity. lol.
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02-16-2022, 07:01 AM
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Example you are buying a 350z got it down to 2 cars.
Car A completely stock has new Michelins interior is in great shape 95,000 miles. Clean from bumper to bumper except a few paints chips.
Car B 95,000 miles Has aftermarket wheels customer traded factory wheels away, hatch does not work, hatch shocks are shot and on upside down, hatch will not stay up at all, no spare tire and missing jack parts owner does not have them, interior pieces in hatch area are missing owner sold them on ebay, nothing but bare metal showing in hatch area, has a racing seat for drivers, factory seat in passenger, door panels are missing but owner has them but they are damage because of removing with pry bar to install high dollar speakers, drivers door glass is loose and rattles, drivers door handle is broke, wheel wells are loose and rattle have no clips, all lower engine covers are missing, under hood looks like a bomb went off. Car is lowered, with hugh tires that rub over bumps and tight turns, tires are Chinese ebay that are shot and make a ton of road noise. Car has a ton of air noise because hatch will not shut due to shocks being on upside down and drivers window needs adjusting. Customer claims he has 7k in after market parts.
Asking price is 12k for either car which one do you buy? Unless some 16 year old kid is making the choice. People with a credit score over 720 what car do they buy.
Car A completely stock has new Michelins interior is in great shape 95,000 miles. Clean from bumper to bumper except a few paints chips.
Car B 95,000 miles Has aftermarket wheels customer traded factory wheels away, hatch does not work, hatch shocks are shot and on upside down, hatch will not stay up at all, no spare tire and missing jack parts owner does not have them, interior pieces in hatch area are missing owner sold them on ebay, nothing but bare metal showing in hatch area, has a racing seat for drivers, factory seat in passenger, door panels are missing but owner has them but they are damage because of removing with pry bar to install high dollar speakers, drivers door glass is loose and rattles, drivers door handle is broke, wheel wells are loose and rattle have no clips, all lower engine covers are missing, under hood looks like a bomb went off. Car is lowered, with hugh tires that rub over bumps and tight turns, tires are Chinese ebay that are shot and make a ton of road noise. Car has a ton of air noise because hatch will not shut due to shocks being on upside down and drivers window needs adjusting. Customer claims he has 7k in after market parts.
Asking price is 12k for either car which one do you buy? Unless some 16 year old kid is making the choice. People with a credit score over 720 what car do they buy.
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02-16-2022, 07:23 AM
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I would go for car A regardless if i was keeping it stock or modifying it. Any car that has mods you are taking a higher risk with condition of it and who knows what mods were done internal that you are not aware of. Now there are some people out there that mod their cars but do it the right way but most dont especially if they are on the younger side. Car A all day for me.
Just like women modified cars will leave you broke down on the side of the road costing you big money.