I think what he's trying to say is that with that mileage, it should be in better condition.

Personally, I would rather buy a used higher mileage Z that's been cared for as opposed to a lower mileage Z that's been ridden hard and neglected.

 

That's true. But am I crazy or does it seem spotless aside from the door handle and door vents having chipped paint and some scratches? Everything else looks pristine unless I'm blind which is entirely possible

 

I think you're crazy if you're paying $19K.

 

Have you looked online ? 350z with 40-70k miles are going for 14-18k .

Dealer is asking $16.5k. I was actually suspicious how low that was when all ghe other Zs I saw had more miles for as much and more money

 

All the time. It's one of my boredom killers during the day. Z33s with those miles range from $10K-$14K in my area. Must be that Cali tax. $14K-$18K, you can find some clean Z34s.

 

HR? Honestly where? Im searching nationwide for months, not just Cali. And its not just auto trader, all apps.. I was actually suspicious how low this car was priced. Here is what's in autotrader through entire country with cars less than 75k miles and HR models (i really want an HR). The $10k seemed good but called the dealer and the interior... ouch. The San Marino blue one is rebuilt salvage when I called.

If you have a link to a 2007-2009 with under 75k miles in good condition for less than $16.5k id be so open to it seriously!!

 

less aftermarket support for HR's.... i had one, and the internal csc crapped out on me twice, have to drop the trans to replace it. mine had 80k miles on it when i sold it for $15k. had a ton of nice parts on it

Uprev Tune
Takeda Intakes
MotorDyne ART pipes
MotorDyne TDX2
Eibach Pro-kit
Hotchkis Sway Bars
Tokico D-Spec
Spc Front and Rear Camber Arms
Stillen Engine Damper
Stillen Front Splitter
Quaife Diff
Zspeed CSC
Wilwood Master Cylinder
Zspeed Undershroud
Whiteline Rear Diff Bushings
Door Handles Painted Body Color

 

Well, I didn't know it had to be an HR. Not really sure why or what all the hype is about. Since you mentioned 07-09, I guess you're open to a ZR?

 

People say the HR is significantly better.

 

People are dumb. They're two different engines. As far as the HR being significantly better, I would love to hear this argument other than "it just has more hp."

 

I'm no expert by any means, but consensus seems to be its snappier , burns oil less, more effecient, and lasts longrt. Plus the dual air intakes helps too.

But I could be wrong i guess

 

Oil gallery gaskets go, and crap csc

 

Not sure what you are referring to ?

 

Known issues on hr's

 

https://stockton.craigslist.org/ctd/...809223447.html

Easy negotiation.

 

Yeah i know about that one it posted earlier today. That's $20k vs my $16.5k. It's a higher trim level but $3.5k more ? How is that any better?

I'm getting a lot of mixed messages here. I'm crazy to spend $16k on an old 350z but this one is $20k.

Look at door handle too.

 

I give up. People have been trying to help you but you wanna pick apart everything everybody has said. I might as well close this thread cuz it's going in circles like that 1,000 post idiot we had here last year. Done.

 

Wow.

I'm not getting rhe car. I canceled the deal today. I'm asking sincerely why this car is better than one i was trying to get. Im trying to learn. What exactly is the problem and why this strange personal aggression ? Are rhe boards so busy and active that my single thread is clogging up the board or something?

I was told paying 16k for a 2008 nissan is crazy, yet this one is 3.5k more.

I was told the one I wajrsd had too much wear inside. Look at door handle on this white one. Was it put thru a grinder? Look at big gash on center console . How is the 2008 I was getting more beat up than that?

We dont have pics of the bottom carriage, so it could also be covered in rust for all we know.

So what exactly is a better deal about this white one ? I'm trying to learn becuase letting go of the one I wanted today was one of rhe hardest decisions and I'm still really sad about it, so forgive me if I seem a little rude. Canceling that car I've been excited about foe a month and then seeing this white one posted that's more expensive with even more interior wear is really confusing and makes me doubt my decision to let go of the car and not ending up kicking myself over it when I'll never find as good a deal on a 2008 with low mileage like that. What happens if I reserve this white one then post it here and people tell me it's too expensive and beat up and im making a mistake?

Doesn't matter. Its done and the search continues. I wanted the new Z but cant afford it so was trying to find a nice clean HR 350z and make it a passion project to customize work on without breaking rhe bank especially after my divorce. Thanks for the help regardless I appreciate everyone who helped me here.

 

Handle issue is very common, happened to mine

 

The consensus? You've been spending too much time on worthless social media where people destroy their cars with pointless things like unnecessary coilovers and flame maps. Snappier, burns oil less, more efficient, and dual air intakes?

It's not aggression. It's frustration. People like you come in here periodically and ask for advice. When it's provided by some OG members who know more about this platform that probably 99% of all the other worthless commentary on the internet and you dispute it, you're going to be met with some resistance. This is the internet. You need to have some thicker skin.

The HR is "better." That's a completely subjective opinion. Ultimately what are you trying to do with it? Is this a daily commuter that you plan on leaving 100% stock with no modifications? Do you care more about getting swag points "because HR"? There are clear pros and cons to both.

Obvious differences (since you failed to mention anything empirical other than two intakes): The HR has a compression ratio of 10.6:1 versus the DE's 10.3:1. The HR has a slightly taller block. The HR has a rev limit of 7500 RPM versus 6600 on the DE (or 7000 on the rev-up DE). There is variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust side of the HR (rev-up DE has this, too). HR has more hp than the DE but less torque. The torque curve on the HR is more linear than the DE. The Rev-up DE is more prone to oil-burning issues than the HR and the non rev-up DE. The concentric slave cylinder found on transmissions in the HR model is trash. HR has issues with oil gallery gaskets failing. The HR runs hotter than the DE. While all interior pieces on the Z33 aren't made from high-quality materials, the interior pieces on HR-equipped models are worse.

So, which is better?

If you're going to drink the HR kool-aid and suck on all the HR fanboi's ********, then, by all means, spend more money on a 07-09 Z33. The fact is that all the hype about the HR being "far superior" or "significantly better" has artificially driven up the price. You're going to be paying a premium. Yes, the HR is a newer engine. But, it's only 3 years newer than the DE. Both are going to require maintenance. HR parts and aftermarket support is limited and more expensive. There is more available for the DE if you plan on modifying or just general maintenance. OOOooOooh, the HR has TWO intakes and a higher redline?!? That doesn't mean it's better. Are you seriously going to be constantly bouncing off the rev limiter on a regular basis when you drive? If so, the HR is going to live in limp mode since temps will get too high.

Feel free to disagree with me. It sounds like you don't have a lot of knowledge when it comes to cars or buying cars in general since you thought a y-pipe was the rear resonator/muffler section in your other thread. Also, it seems like you're overly concerned with the appearance of surface rust on the undercarriage.

If you want the better Z, and this is likely an unpopular opinion, get a 370. It's in your price range (I think). It's newer. It has plenty of aftermarket support for whatever you want to achieve. If you ask me, going from your current DE to an HR is really a lateral move. If you want an upgrade, get the next gen.