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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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Yeah that pretty much where I'm at, I'm not going to really use the performance of the STi and the Z seems to be a good compromise while raising the bar for the fit/finish/quality you expect from a 32k car.
If you want an interior w/ more character (and maybe a little higher quality), then you should also consider the G35 coupe. It would be more practical if this will be your only vehicle.

It looks stock to be 230ish while modded I/H/E moves closer to 250? (not a bad number at all )
Expect 230-240whp w/ a relatively flat tq curve that begins to drop sometime after 5k rpm. I/H/E will either increase low-end tq or high-end tq (thus, increasing hp).

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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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That's because of the AWD launch in the STi....take that away....and it's A LOT closer. If both cars start from a 5mph roll where the STi can't launch like a bat out of hell...it wll be a good race. There are plenty of videos around that prove this....

If you're running low 14s in the Z....you need to learn how to drive it.

Coming on here and posting a relatively "slow" E.T. for a 350Z (low 14s) and about the quickest you'll find for an STi (low 13s) isn't fair either. I see STi's driven to mid to high 13s all the time...sometimes even 14s....same with the Z.
I've had the STi since June and the Z since last January, and believe me, I've tried racing both cars side by side from the roll numerous times, the STi's gearing is a lot more aggresive then the Z's, you'd be surprise how quickly the STi will gain on the Z even from a roll. I'm not a drag racer, and I don't do 5000rpm clutch drops, I'm pretty sure the AWD didn't make me more a second quicker then the Z in a quarter mile. You tell me I need to learn how to drag, and that is fine, but if I'm a bad driver for the STi, don't you think I should be a bad driver for the STi too?
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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
That's because of the AWD launch in the STi....take that away....and it's A LOT closer. If both cars start from a 5mph roll where the STi can't launch like a bat out of hell...it wll be a good race. There are plenty of videos around that prove this....

If you're running low 14s in the Z....you need to learn how to drive it.

Coming on here and posting a relatively "slow" E.T. for a 350Z (low 14s) and about the quickest you'll find for an STi (low 13s) isn't fair either. I see STi's driven to mid to high 13s all the time...sometimes even 14s....same with the Z.
P.S. low 14s isn't the quikest you'll find for a STi, I've seen planty of 12 second stock STis, go check out nasioc.com or i-club.com. You know nothing until you own both cars, don't knock it until you own it!
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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by DJDaizzy
I've had the STi since June and the Z since last January, and believe me, I've tried racing both cars side by side from the roll numerous times, the STi's gearing is a lot more aggresive then the Z's, you'd be surprise how quickly the STi will gain on the Z even from a roll.


Yes the gearing is more agressive...but all that means is that the STi will "run out of steam" more quickly at higher speeds.

Futhermore, I've yet to run an STi...the one that I challenged didn't want any part of racing my car. I think he though that the Z was faster than it really is. Based on what other people on here with 350Zs have done against STi's...I'd say that the run from a roll should be pretty darn close.


I'm not a drag racer, and I don't do 5000rpm clutch drops, I'm pretty sure the AWD didn't make me more a second quicker then the Z in a quarter mile. You tell me I need to learn how to drag, and that is fine, but if I'm a bad driver for the STi, don't you think I should be a bad driver for the STi too?
I'd like to know how exactly you ran a low 13 second pass without launching the STi hard. It doesn't have the power to pull a low 13 without a pretty violent launch.

AWD didn't make you a second quicker in the 1/4 mile....driving did. A well driven STOCK Z is capable of clipping off a 13.7-13.8 pass at 101-103mph. (Hell...I pulled a 13.9@101mph completely stock in 90 degree heat)
A well driven STi can run low 13s also @ 101-103mph...I don't see how cars that trap about the same and have VERY similiar power/weight ratios are going to be that different in a roll-on acceleration race.

How about some timeslips of your two cars....or pictures of both of them next to each other? I'm starting to smell something.
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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by DJDaizzy
P.S. low 14s isn't the quikest you'll find for a STi, I've seen planty of 12 second stock STis, go check out nasioc.com or i-club.com. You know nothing until you own both cars, don't knock it until you own it!
There are HARDLY "plenty" of STOCK STi's in the 12s....maybe a handful...and I bet even a few of them had a mod or two and "claim" stock.
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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax

How about some timeslips of your two cars....or pictures of both of them next to each other? I'm starting to smell something.
Alright, I don't need to argue with you, think what you want, I know my cars, why would I want to say my own car is slow?? Here are some pics, I have an EVO too, you want some of that??










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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 05:06 PM
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DJDaizzy. man, am so jelous, may I ask what you do for a living, cause I want that job too!!
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Old Apr 1, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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Why the hell would he own those three cars when he could own a 911 Turbo???

I sure wouldn't buy three cars instead of a 911...
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Why the hell would he own those three cars when he could own a 911 Turbo???

I sure wouldn't buy three cars instead of a 911...


Well, that's you, but I think I know what I like to spend my money on better then you, just like I know stock STi is faster then stock Z better then you.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 06:06 AM
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I had both cars for a long time. I've autoX both car extensively taken both cars to the track, and I can safely say, the STi is in an entirely different performance class than the Z. No amount of disinformation is going to change this. These cars are apples and oranges. If you want to make the arguement "the Z is faster between the speeds of 92mph and 104 mph" that is fine, but just because you say it doesn't make it true.


BTW I'm pretty possitive I could afford a 911 whatever, but honestly what is the point? I'll save the overpricedImtrying tomakeupforhavinatinypenis car for when im 60.

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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 06:43 AM
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My friend has a stock TT 300ZX, this car is just slightly quicker then a stock 350Z. From a stop the STI beats him. But from a 50+ MPH roll the Z beats the STI every time. My friends car topped out at 156MPH, I dont know what a STI tops out at but considering there AWD with lower gearing I dont think an STI could go this fast. A 350Z would be a good match for a STI fomr a roll
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by DJDaizzy


Well, that's you, but I think I know what I like to spend my money on better then you, just like I know stock STi is faster then stock Z better then you.
That's fine...you think you know what's best...I just think it's funny that someone would pay insurance, and registration on THREE cars...when they could own one BADA$$ car...

Personally, I don't believe that you own all three....my guess is that you own only the STi and had pictures taken with either your friend's cars or possibly a family members. A 350Z IS a match for an STi from a roll...and as soon as I find one that will actually run me and not pusssy out, I'll post a video.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 07:03 AM
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I would estimate the STI would be more than 3 seconds faster to 146 (from a stop). 146 the the electronically limited speed of the STi.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by del105
I had both cars for a long time. I've autoX both car extensively taken both cars to the track, and I can safely say, the STi is in an entirely different performance class than the Z. No amount of disinformation is going to change this.


No....I think you have it messed up...if you're going to say "entirely different performance class" you better be talking about a Z06 vette vs. a 350Z or an STi. I've had no problem staying ahead of ANY of the 3 STi's that hot lapped with me at the roadcouse last summer.

And BTW...it's MISINFORMATION....not DISINFORMATION....and they only bit that I've seen is spewing out of YOUR MOUTH.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
That's fine...you think you know what's best...I just think it's funny that someone would pay insurance, and registration on THREE cars...when they could own one BADA$$ car...

Personally, I don't believe that you own all three....my guess is that you own only the STi and had pictures taken with either your friend's cars or possibly a family members. A 350Z IS a match for an STi from a roll...and as soon as I find one that will actually run me and not pusssy out, I'll post a video.


That's a pretty immature statement, funny how you can accuse me of not owning a Z when you don't even know me, just like you're accusing the STi being slower from a roll when you don't even own one.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 07:13 AM
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No....I think you have it messed up...if you're going to say "entirely different performance class" you better be talking about a Z06 vette vs. a 350Z or an STi. I've had no problem staying ahead of ANY of the 3 STi's that hot lapped with me at the roadcouse last summer.

And BTW...it's MISINFORMATION....not DISINFORMATION....and they only bit that I've seen is spewing out of YOUR MOUTH.
BriGuy you need to understand the incredible flaw in your arguement. I comparing car vs car you are comparing car and driver vs car and driver. You beat the driver not the car.

And BTW there should be a comma after No not 4 periods.

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Originally posted by del105
BriGuy you need to understand the incredible flaw in your arguement. I comparing car vs car you are comparing car and driver vs car and driver. You beat the driver not the car.

And BTW there should be a comma after No not 4 periods.
I'm not that great of a driver around a road course...and there were THREE, yes THREE STi's there and all of them had more experienced drivers than myself.

YOU need to understand the flaw in YOUR argument. You are basically saying that since you drove both cars, and you think the STi is faster, then it must be. Doesn't seem very objective to me.

You say the STi is in an "entirely different performance class" than the 350Z, and I say that's complete horse ****.

As for the elipses (that's what using sucessive periods is called), I use them to make what I type seem more like what I say. You on the other hand make blatent vocabulary errors.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 10:29 AM
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You say the STi is in an "entirely different performance class" than the 350Z, and I say that's complete horse ****.
Well you are the only one who thinks that is horse ****. It happen that the SCCA also agrees with me in the FACT that the STi is in an entirely different performance class. Buy a rule book and look it up.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax

YOU need to understand the flaw in YOUR argument. You are basically saying that since you drove both cars, and you think the STi is faster, then it must be. Doesn't seem very objective to me.
I own both cars, I drive both cars on a daily basis more then you. Pretty safe to say I know the comparison btw the two more then you. That's all I'm saying.
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Old Apr 2, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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well, i had an STi on order... and decided to buy the Z... the factors was that:
1) 2 week before my car arrives, my dealership was trying to jack up the price on my STi, cuz the car had just jsut come out.... so much for waiting 2 years on the MSRP wait list for the car...ba$tards
2) Z was NA
3) Z was out already and i liked driving it and nissan is fairly reliable

later, half a year later, i rode in an STi at the track and found it to have more body roll and felt like a higher center of gravity... the Z at the track felt perfect for me... i was glad to have the Z...

but, these two are just totally different cars, and it really depends on what you want...
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