350Z LOSE TO DODGE?! No way...
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I'm not going to explode on most of you, but listen up and listen up good. I'm not getting the Z because I WANT TO PLEASE MY PARENTS and get a IS300. Not because of money. The IS300 is MORE than the Z, so don't even bring money into the role. Second, some of you are taking personal offense to this, big deal, it's a car! Then some of you are saying apples to oranges, thats not the case. Maybe price difference is a lot, but that doesn't mean a car cheaper cant out perform the Z. You guys are Z lovers and thats great but you need to be able to accept there is faster cars (not sayin the neon is, but there are some). And as far as you not hearing it dyno'd at 223, READ Sport Compact Car, December Issue. To top it off, I've heard this car dyno'ing at 240 with higher boost.
Oh one more thing, you guys are all saying "It's a neon!", well how the hell do you think a car earns repect? They try something new, they come out with something that stands out, and they do a good job. Who knows, the Viper shot off Dodge's name, the Neon could also. You guys need to be more open minded.
Oh one more thing, you guys are all saying "It's a neon!", well how the hell do you think a car earns repect? They try something new, they come out with something that stands out, and they do a good job. Who knows, the Viper shot off Dodge's name, the Neon could also. You guys need to be more open minded.
Re: Hey Ricky
Originally posted by dc350z
How can you compare a vehicle that just 3years ago had 100% failure rate of its Head Gasket, with the Z. Why do you preach this, do you really think that POS is worth 20K? Think about it, before you make such statement.
I'm sorry to be rude about this, but I used to work for that particular company, and Millions are spent by DCX on that car under and out of warranty.
Why are you comparing a FWD car with a Z? A econobox, built by UAW's finest, with taillight water leaks and failing front spindles, and recalls up the wazoo. Do you want me to go on?
Hello, knock, knock. Anybody there? Anything in there?
How can you compare a vehicle that just 3years ago had 100% failure rate of its Head Gasket, with the Z. Why do you preach this, do you really think that POS is worth 20K? Think about it, before you make such statement.
I'm sorry to be rude about this, but I used to work for that particular company, and Millions are spent by DCX on that car under and out of warranty.
Why are you comparing a FWD car with a Z? A econobox, built by UAW's finest, with taillight water leaks and failing front spindles, and recalls up the wazoo. Do you want me to go on?
Hello, knock, knock. Anybody there? Anything in there?
"There's always a bigger fish. Do you really need to have the quickest car on the road? If so, better have some deep pockets."
This is ok, but not a cheap a$$ neon, with it's Mexico engineered and built engine. (yes...Mexico, and the statement is not intended to be racial). I know....speed isn't everything, but it won't be fun to get spanked by a sea of Neons driven by laughing 16 yr olds. If any of you have any pride in your car, and not just in the price tag....this picture should bother you. But it's ok...aftermarket is on the way!
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It is still a neon, wow they add a turbo. Whats it gonna do at the track, its not hard to make a car go fast in the 1/4 mile, but to make a car fast at the track IS HARD! The 350z would murder the neon, even if the neon adds more boost. DOWN WITH THE NEON!
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I'm not saying the Neon is better than the Z, don't get me wrong here, I totally love the Z more than any other car. Best design, best interior, best engine for price. But when you consider for only 20,000 you get a car which can dyno at 220-240hp, 250lbs of torque, with the 17" rims, ect ect, it isn't that bad..
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Originally posted by udmustnaggt
It is still a neon, wow they add a turbo. Whats it gonna do at the track, its not hard to make a car go fast in the 1/4 mile, but to make a car fast at the track IS HARD! The 350z would murder the neon, even if the neon adds more boost. DOWN WITH THE NEON!
It is still a neon, wow they add a turbo. Whats it gonna do at the track, its not hard to make a car go fast in the 1/4 mile, but to make a car fast at the track IS HARD! The 350z would murder the neon, even if the neon adds more boost. DOWN WITH THE NEON!
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Typical biasd opinion. You are so in love with the Z, you fail to see facts.
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Thats true, but I do think if the neon runs enough boost, it can keep up with the stock 350z. Granet the Z is a v6 3.5liter rwd sports car, but on the other hand, the dyno of power is about the same, with low boost, the car is much lighter. Now of course the Z would win by miles on a twisty road, but I think in a stright 1/4mile race, the Z would win by maybe a few hairs.
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Originally posted by Ricky
But when you consider for only 20,000 you get a car which can dyno at 220-240hp, 250lbs of torque, with the 17" rims, ect ect, it isn't that bad..
But when you consider for only 20,000 you get a car which can dyno at 220-240hp, 250lbs of torque, with the 17" rims, ect ect, it isn't that bad..
the "Dodge" and "Neon" badges with "Nissan" and "350Z".
I'LL SAVE MORE THAN $10,000! I'm cancelling my order!
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Originally posted by Ricky
Thats true, but I do think if the neon runs enough boost, it can keep up with the stock 350z. Granet the Z is a v6 3.5liter rwd sports car, but on the other hand, the dyno of power is about the same, with low boost, the car is much lighter. Now of course the Z would win by miles on a twisty road, but I think in a stright 1/4mile race, the Z would win by maybe a few hairs.
Thats true, but I do think if the neon runs enough boost, it can keep up with the stock 350z. Granet the Z is a v6 3.5liter rwd sports car, but on the other hand, the dyno of power is about the same, with low boost, the car is much lighter. Now of course the Z would win by miles on a twisty road, but I think in a stright 1/4mile race, the Z would win by maybe a few hairs.
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i think it's a good sign for all auto enthusiasts when car makers are doing their best to make affordable performance oriented cars available. we're in the second "horsepower wars" and it can only improve cars as time goes on.
i blame nissan, the 240hp altima and 180hp sentra really raised the stakes
i can just hear the accord engineering team saying "they did what!?" when the altima rolled out. mazdaspeed's turbo protege and this turbo neon are both steps in the right places. ecu's that take advantage of higher boost levels will make acceleration quite phenomenal.
i blame nissan, the 240hp altima and 180hp sentra really raised the stakes
i can just hear the accord engineering team saying "they did what!?" when the altima rolled out. mazdaspeed's turbo protege and this turbo neon are both steps in the right places. ecu's that take advantage of higher boost levels will make acceleration quite phenomenal.
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Hey Ricky
"Typical biasd opinion. You are so in love with the Z, you fail to see facts. I'm not saying the Z would win/lose at a track, but what I am saying is you guys need to stop looking at it as a "NEON" and just look at the engine and performance."
Yeah, im looking at the engine alright. I'm looking at a pile of pieces after the blow-up.
How big would you like your ventilation hole on the side of the block?
Oh, and your comment about the IS being more of a car than the Z. Sure, it's a 4 door. You are comparing apples to oranges, AGAIN!
Enjoy the high speed cornering rear end float, under on/off throttle modulation. And the shitty gas mileage.
Yeah, im looking at the engine alright. I'm looking at a pile of pieces after the blow-up.
How big would you like your ventilation hole on the side of the block?
Oh, and your comment about the IS being more of a car than the Z. Sure, it's a 4 door. You are comparing apples to oranges, AGAIN!
Enjoy the high speed cornering rear end float, under on/off throttle modulation. And the shitty gas mileage.
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yah what he said
Originally posted by raceboy
The fact is that car was a "ringer" plain and simple. WAKE UP!!!
The fact is that car was a "ringer" plain and simple. WAKE UP!!!
it does .85 on the skidpad and has no chamber adjustment.
and there is no way it will be released without a muffler.
and most of all it is a dodge neon.
Where is the peeing squirrel when you need him ?
For some reason with the exception of the viper and tc stealth I think of dodge products as 3rd world automobiles slightly higher on the food chain than the yugo.
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Just one thing to say...
When I dropped my Wife at the Ford dealers this eve.. please show me the same 10 Ford maintenance techs around that Neon..
I was overrun and my poor wife was kinda brushed to the side.. and shes a looker I dont deserve.. I got the EVIL EYE from her...
BUT... these guys loved my Daytona Blue Z.. even with all the rain .. they were out there walking around and around... They loved it....
30 mins later... I was able to rejoin my wife and smile as the guys brought other people over... Loads of fun
Show me that round that there Neee On!
TreeFittyZ a car with CLASS
Neeee On.. a c( MODDED )ar
Sorry.. my opinion... my opinion only... If you love Neons.. ignore me.
EZ
PS i know a neons a dodge (in case you thought I lost my mind)
I was overrun and my poor wife was kinda brushed to the side.. and shes a looker I dont deserve.. I got the EVIL EYE from her...
BUT... these guys loved my Daytona Blue Z.. even with all the rain .. they were out there walking around and around... They loved it....
30 mins later... I was able to rejoin my wife and smile as the guys brought other people over... Loads of fun
Show me that round that there Neee On!
TreeFittyZ a car with CLASS
Neeee On.. a c( MODDED )ar
Sorry.. my opinion... my opinion only... If you love Neons.. ignore me.
EZ
PS i know a neons a dodge (in case you thought I lost my mind)
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Originally posted by Gendo Ikari
Lots of cars can go faster than the Z in a straight line. If you are so worried about how fast the Z goes in a straight line then the Z isn't for you.
Lots of cars can go faster than the Z in a straight line. If you are so worried about how fast the Z goes in a straight line then the Z isn't for you.
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The Neon ACR has made a pretty good reputation for itself on the track, as well, the SR-4 should be no different. It's not as aestheticly pleasing as a Z but if your priorities involve performance, as many of you claim, you have to at least acknowledge it for that. Don't be fooled into believing that FWD cars cannot perform well on the track, Honda has proved repeatedly that they can.
"For some reason with the exception of the viper and tc stealth I think of dodge products as 3rd world automobiles slightly higher on the food chain than the yugo."
Err, why? They can make those two vehicles well and everything else is crap? Is it because they Neon is inexpensive, that it must be junk? Don't forget that the Z is a bargain sports car as well.
Of course the Z is a great car, but the compromises Nissan made in the Z are completely different from the compromises Dodge made with the Neon. If it's not for you, super, don't buy one - it will just be one of many cheap cars that can be made very quick for people who don't care about fit and finish. I think it's great to be able to get so much performance for so little money with either car.
"For some reason with the exception of the viper and tc stealth I think of dodge products as 3rd world automobiles slightly higher on the food chain than the yugo."
Err, why? They can make those two vehicles well and everything else is crap? Is it because they Neon is inexpensive, that it must be junk? Don't forget that the Z is a bargain sports car as well.
Of course the Z is a great car, but the compromises Nissan made in the Z are completely different from the compromises Dodge made with the Neon. If it's not for you, super, don't buy one - it will just be one of many cheap cars that can be made very quick for people who don't care about fit and finish. I think it's great to be able to get so much performance for so little money with either car.
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Originally posted by raceboy
Read that entire article people. That car was a "ringer" plain and simple. Did you read the part where the Daimler engineers freaked because they dyno'd the car and ran an instrumented test? That's because they know the car is a ringer. Daimler Chrysler was looking for some good early hype, but I think they caught in a little publicity stunt. Let's see them take one off a dealer lot when it comes out and put that same HP to the wheels. Hell, the car didn't even have mufflers and if those fools at SCC really believe that the car will make it to production without mufflers then I have some nice "swamp front" investment property for them as well. To make that kind of HP at the wheels, that car would have to be running almost 14lbs of boost!! Neon motors barely hold together without FI!!!
Here is my guess when the mags finally test actual production versions of the car. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 15.2@92mph. I want to post this here so we can bring it back up when production versions are out and I can either say; "I told ya so," or I can say; "where is my hat, I am hungry!!"
Read that entire article people. That car was a "ringer" plain and simple. Did you read the part where the Daimler engineers freaked because they dyno'd the car and ran an instrumented test? That's because they know the car is a ringer. Daimler Chrysler was looking for some good early hype, but I think they caught in a little publicity stunt. Let's see them take one off a dealer lot when it comes out and put that same HP to the wheels. Hell, the car didn't even have mufflers and if those fools at SCC really believe that the car will make it to production without mufflers then I have some nice "swamp front" investment property for them as well. To make that kind of HP at the wheels, that car would have to be running almost 14lbs of boost!! Neon motors barely hold together without FI!!!
Here is my guess when the mags finally test actual production versions of the car. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 15.2@92mph. I want to post this here so we can bring it back up when production versions are out and I can either say; "I told ya so," or I can say; "where is my hat, I am hungry!!"