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11-21-2008, 10:36 AM
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Should be interesting to see what the 370 can actually do. To me though, I don't care much about the straight line times as much as I care about how it performs on the track. That's where the real fun is. 
11-21-2008, 10:37 AM
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You are completely forgetting about the TRACTION and GEARING factors here. Plus it doesn't look like you read my first post.
A C6 vette's 0-60 time is greatly affected by lack of traction, and it also has much longer gearing than the Z...
11-21-2008, 11:05 AM
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There are many cars with similar hp to weight ratios as the 370z that are in the 4's. 135i comes to mind. You say powertrain loss is minimal on bmw but you are mistaken. They just underrate that engine, it produces more like 330hp in reality. The Z will come in 100lb-130lb lighter than that car, and much better tires (135 uses run flats). So in theory, the Z will have better traction as well.
11-21-2008, 11:18 AM
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Gearing is not going to make up for the substantial difference in power between the two cars
. You can whine all you want about the 0-60 yardstick, but it's the most common measurement of acceleration used in most road tests.....right or wrong. It's just an easier thing for most drivers to get a handle on than 1/4 mile times.....and 1/4 mile times can vary just as much relative to drivers and road conditions. As far as traction, I have no problem hooking up my C6 and pulling 4.1's all day long. That's pretty much the car's best....it's not actually faster than that due to any lack of traction.
11-21-2008, 11:31 AM
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Gearing is not going to make up for the substantial difference in power between the two cars. You can whine all you want about the 0-60 yardstick, but it's the most common measurement of acceleration used in most road tests.....right or wrong. It's just an easier thing for most drivers to get a handle on than 1/4 mile times.....and 1/4 mile times can vary just as much relative to drivers and road conditions.
. You can whine all you want about the 0-60 yardstick, but it's the most common measurement of acceleration used in most road tests.....right or wrong. It's just an easier thing for most drivers to get a handle on than 1/4 mile times.....and 1/4 mile times can vary just as much relative to drivers and road conditions.
As far as traction, I have no problem hooking up my C6 and pulling 4.1's all day long. That's pretty much the car's best....it's not actually faster than that due to any lack of traction.
11-21-2008, 11:34 AM
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0-60 is usually just for bragging rights as drag strips don't even bother measuring that since they only do 1/4 and 1/8 mile times.
Handling is probably the main thing I would like to know about the 370Z, is it better than the 350Z and since they are targeting the Cayman - will it be comparable? I rode in a E92 M3 for the first time the other day and the car is seriously on rails around turns at high speeds with no signs of slipping whatsoever. I don't expect the 370Z to be near the M3's handling but the BMW weighs about 400 pounds more and has a larger wheelbase so the Z hopefully will be more toss-able.
Handling is probably the main thing I would like to know about the 370Z, is it better than the 350Z and since they are targeting the Cayman - will it be comparable? I rode in a E92 M3 for the first time the other day and the car is seriously on rails around turns at high speeds with no signs of slipping whatsoever. I don't expect the 370Z to be near the M3's handling but the BMW weighs about 400 pounds more and has a larger wheelbase so the Z hopefully will be more toss-able.
11-21-2008, 11:40 AM
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0-60 is usually just for bragging rights as drag strips don't even bother measuring that since they only do 1/4 and 1/8 mile times.
Handling is probably the main thing I would like to know about the 370Z, is it better than the 350Z and since they are targeting the Cayman - will it be comparable? I rode in a E92 M3 for the first time the other day and the car is seriously on rails around turns at high speeds with no signs of slipping whatsoever. I don't expect the 370Z to be near the M3's handling but the BMW weighs about 400 pounds more and has a larger wheelbase so the Z hopefully will be more toss-able.
Handling is probably the main thing I would like to know about the 370Z, is it better than the 350Z and since they are targeting the Cayman - will it be comparable? I rode in a E92 M3 for the first time the other day and the car is seriously on rails around turns at high speeds with no signs of slipping whatsoever. I don't expect the 370Z to be near the M3's handling but the BMW weighs about 400 pounds more and has a larger wheelbase so the Z hopefully will be more toss-able.
11-21-2008, 11:50 AM
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Either way, it'll be a thriller.
11-21-2008, 12:18 PM
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I don't care if it's the most common...it's still a dumb thing to compare cars with. 1/4 miles takes a lot more out of the equation especially with trap speed regardless of ET.
Rev it to 5 grand and do a quick slip/dump of the clutch and tells me what happens. I roll around with a bunch of vettes and they all could use more traction, stock and modded. One in particular an 07 Z51 pulled 2.0 60's on the stock tires. With a simple change to DRs he went low 1.7s...that will drop nearly a half second off your beloved 0-60 time with ZERO power increase.
Rev it to 5 grand and do a quick slip/dump of the clutch and tells me what happens. I roll around with a bunch of vettes and they all could use more traction, stock and modded. One in particular an 07 Z51 pulled 2.0 60's on the stock tires. With a simple change to DRs he went low 1.7s...that will drop nearly a half second off your beloved 0-60 time with ZERO power increase.
.....makes a lot of sense. I'm talking about using the car's power and still being able to drive it for several years without major repairs....using the power, not abusing the car. Sacrificing the car to get a few extra tenths in front of my buddies at some meaningless track timed event is pretty stupid. I never said 0-60 was the best way to compare cars, it's simply the most common...doesn't matter if it's "dumb" to you or not. Get over it.
11-21-2008, 12:20 PM
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No stock Evo or Sti runs anything close to 4.5 or less. 4.8 more accurately and that is at $35+ and the new versions are running like 4.9-5.1 for base price of $36K.
11-21-2008, 12:32 PM
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Ohhh... it's so bad it hurts.
11-21-2008, 12:40 PM
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If you want to destroy your car, sure.........makes a lot of sense. I'm talking about using the car's power and still being able to drive it for several years without major repairs....using the power, not abusing the car. Sacrificing the car to get a few extra tenths in front of my buddies at some meaningless track timed event is pretty stupid.
.....makes a lot of sense. I'm talking about using the car's power and still being able to drive it for several years without major repairs....using the power, not abusing the car. Sacrificing the car to get a few extra tenths in front of my buddies at some meaningless track timed event is pretty stupid.I never said you had to put DRs on your car and go to the track. I just told you to try and launch your car a little harder on the street so you could see how much traction becomes a problem. It won't hurt anything spinning your tires a little bit.
Sports cars are made to be abused. I guess you're just a boulevard cruiser...sweet man...sweet.
I never said 0-60 was the best way to compare cars, it's simply the most common...doesn't matter if it's "dumb" to you or not. Get over it.
11-21-2008, 12:53 PM
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That BMW E92 M3 is VERY nice and handles extemly well for a 3600 pound car. Like others have stated, I am more concerned with the Z's handeling. I HOPE it handles better than my Mazdaspeed equipped RX8.
Obviously 0-60 times don;t mean much to me... I DRIVE AN RX8!!! All about handeling...
Obviously 0-60 times don;t mean much to me... I DRIVE AN RX8!!! All about handeling...
11-21-2008, 02:40 PM
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11-21-2008, 07:01 PM
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Silly me...I though we were talking about what the car was CAPABLE OF...oh wait...we were.
I never said you had to put DRs on your car and go to the track. I just told you to try and launch your car a little harder on the street so you could see how much traction becomes a problem. It won't hurt anything spinning your tires a little bit.
Sports cars are made to be abused. I guess you're just a boulevard cruiser...sweet man...sweet.
It's still dumb. And I just laugh at all the people out there who think it's the end all of car comparisons.
I never said you had to put DRs on your car and go to the track. I just told you to try and launch your car a little harder on the street so you could see how much traction becomes a problem. It won't hurt anything spinning your tires a little bit.
Sports cars are made to be abused. I guess you're just a boulevard cruiser...sweet man...sweet.
It's still dumb. And I just laugh at all the people out there who think it's the end all of car comparisons.
Yeah...I pull 4.1's on the boulevard.....duh.......
