OK ive been out of the loop on car alarms for quite sometime and would appreciate any suggestions on what types of alarms are available these days. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

I would recommend the Clifford alarm, I forgot what model, but its the one thats in carbon fiber and has a screen, not the one in carbon fiber with just buttons, its the one WITH the screen. It works well, pages you, and has all sorts of accessories you can do with it (ie. Remote start)

 

Compustar, since you can legally auto start with a manual

Viper comes in second

 

legally? I didn't realize you could be arrested or ticketed for remote starting a manual. ANY remote start system can safely remote start a Nissan 6mt, due to the fact that the tranny has a built in Nuetral safety switch.

I've always been a Viper fan, but I have never liked any of the two way alarms with the screens, as they are some what fragile and I am rough with my keys!

 

Go ahead and hook up a Viper remote start to a 6Spd, leave it in gear, and then start it.

I bet you my whole paycheck it will drive away by itself.

Most installers will not install Viper remote start in manual vehicles, Legally they cannot do it because they (Viper and others do not have a failsafe if left in gear)

Compustar is the only authorized autostart for manuals.

Built in neutral safety switch, HA, wonder why that didn't work for a handful of Z owners with non-compustar remote start!

 

Your whole pay check?

You're on.

 

Its been very well documented over the past five years that Nissan uses a PNP switch in its tranny. The switch goes to ground ONLY when the car is in N. The switch is wired between the tranny and the ECU and the ECU uses it for a 'no load' safety. You can grab this signal at the ECU (with the tach signal). Hook this ground up to your Neutral Safety Switch input (or hood pin input if a NSS isn't availible) and I guarentee you you're car will not start while in gear (barring any mechanical switch failure).

I will PM you my address so you can get that check out....

 

It is NOT illeagal for a shop to hook up a remote start on a manual. However, for liability reasons most shops will NOT do it. It has nothing to do with laws, its all about insurance.

 

My understanding didn't say start the car... it said start the car in gear THEN see what it does!!!

Does it

A) drive off - He wins

b) stay put - you get his paycheck



I'm going with A on this one. IF you bypass everything and start the car in gear, then it will drive off.

 

I have the Compustar 2WSS-AS (remote start) on my 6MT. Works great & I love the remote start feature especially in the morning. My car will only remote start if it's in neutral & will shut-off if the hood is open. Just in case you press the button when someone is working on your car . Man, that could get ugly if it started. As someone pointed out, Compustars are certified to have the remote start systems since it has a neutral safety feature. To many accidents have occured with other remote start systems because they didn't have a safety feature like this & thus, many shops will not install it on "manual transmission" cars because of this liability. The Compustar units are a bit pricey but it's a solid system. You can find more info here: Compustar

BTW...the system by Clifford (as someone mentioned above) is the Clifford Matrix RS 3.5.

 

Well, thats impossible to do.

The car WON'T remotely start if it is in ANY gear when the PNP switch is utilized. The remote start system will see a 'shutdown' condition when the tranny is in any gear and therefore NOT turn on the ignition and not even try to crank the car, let alone actually start it.

If a car starts in gear and the clutch is not engaged the car will move. How far it moves depends on the car, the gearing, and any obstacles in the path of the vehicle

Oh, and I mentioned mechanical failure of the switch, I did leave out the fact the the switch type is identical to the reverse switch that is used to turn on the reverse lights. These switches are built and intended to outlast the car (although, since they are mechanical there is always a chance for failure).

 

Then why is it almost every installer out there WILL NOT install a Viper or others on a manual?

 

Like I said, its because of the liability. I installed remote starts for quite a while, so I know exactly why they won't do it. I've heard and seen numerous reasons NOT to hook remote starts up to manuals. But...

Most cars don't have PNP switches built in to them. In the following links there is all sorts of information about the PNP switch and successful integrations. Once again, with the PNP switch hooked to the remote start the car will NOT attempt to start while in ANY gear.

http://www.g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45722

http://www.g35driver.com/forums/show...4&page=2&pp=15

hehe instead of your whole paycheck you can just send the yellow top!!!!!

 

If 99% of installers are not and will not do it, then my notion is correct about compustar being the only authorized alarm for working with manuals!

 

Viper does claim that their remote starts are intended for fuel injected, automatic transmission vehicles. I never stated, nor meant to imply that Viper recomended using their products on 6mts. All I was trying to say is that it IS possible to safely use any brand of remote start on the Nissan 6mt, AS LONG AS THE PNP SWITCH IS INCORPORATED in to the system. You offered me your paycheck if I could install a Viper alarm in a 6mt and have it (as reliably as the Compustar I assume) NOT drive off when you push the remote start button. Done.

My other issue was with your poor wording. It is NOT illegal for installers to hook up remote starts on manuals, it is just unsafe (in most circumstances).

 

so who gets the paycheck???
zand, how could you bet kp? he's like THE electronics guy on our site! i guess wc fields was right.

 

For anyone who is interested on the 2004 Z the service manual claims that the PNP switch is pin 104 at the ECU and is brown/yellow. Again, this wire should read 'ground' when the car is in N and should read either open or battery voltage when its in ANY gear (including reverse). If I remember right it reads open, but the service manual claims it reads battery voltage, so who knows.

For more info check out EC-530 in the 2004 service manual, or search the index for Park/neutral position switch.

 

For those of you with an 03, it is pin 102 on the 03 350Z. The wire is still indicated as being Brown and Yellow. If it is in neutral, then the voltage will be near 0 on pin 102. If in any gear it will read battery voltage (11-14).

 

what about those of us with an 05... is it the same as the 04?

 

I must appologize, I made two mistakes.

My Z service manual is the 03 (my G35 is 04) and the pin IS 102, I either misread it or mistyped it.

Thanks Adam, see you in a few days!!!!