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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by 03Z33
IIRC Grand Am 2004 cars weigh in at ~ 3100lbs. My car weighs in at 3200lbs (fully loaded track model w/navi, etc...) and I run OEM Track Brembos. They will fade with stock pads, lines and fluid, but once you get some track pads, stainless lines and higher temp brake fluid they work great!
not saying your wrong, just sharing my experience.
i was using rbf600 and goodridge ss lines and been use endless ccr and brig pads w/ the brembo, though it still fades T_T
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Phrost


So, if I have a stock suspension setup it sounds like the way to go is with the same width all around to reduce understeer.
On the other hand, it sounds like the best way to go is with wider rear wheels for more grip but I'll need to do suspension mods so I can adjust my camber accordingly to get rid of the understeer issue.
Is this correct?

If so, maybe I should stick with the stock wheels for now and just get better tires, until I have enough money to do suspension as well. That way I can get wider wheels for the rear and have better grip but still be able to keep the understeer under control with the suspension mods.

What do you guys think?

Oh and as for brakes, I'm going to be getting the StopTech 13" front kit with the new 2 pot 13" rear kit.
you only need camber kit for camber adjustment.
i'd say go with same width all around if money is a concern to you.
aggressive camber will leads to very uneven wear on tires if you drive the car on the street.
but its just a trade off, i choose to spent more and get better steering response. so i go w/ aggresive camber up front.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 05:55 PM
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Nothing wrong with the stock wheels, they work fine once you get some better tires. You won't regret the Stoptech 13" kit, great quality and performance!
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:01 PM
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I definitely want to eventually get some new wheels but maybe I should just stick with the stock ones for now and get some good tires to wrap them in.

Any suggestions on rubber for the stock wheels?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Phrost
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Any suggestions on rubber for the stock wheels?
r-compound? street tire?
which one you have in mind?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:49 PM
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Hmm, maybe more of a street tire to start with so that I get a little more wear out of them since these will be my only wheels for now.
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Originally posted by Phrost
Hmm, maybe more of a street tire to start with so that I get a little more wear out of them since these will be my only wheels for now.
if your willing to import tires like RE01 or AD07 from jap, i'd recomend those 2.
and i think AD07>RE01.
if you want to stay in the N.America market, i'd say PS2.
i'm not really agreed on people saying SO3 is a performance tire, the SO3s are ratted as a GT tire in Jap.but SO3 got raelly good wet tractions.
overall, i'd rate tires as the following
AD07>RE01~PS2>SO3>T1S
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PS. i've used everything on the list except T1S
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:57 PM
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Who did you import yours through?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 07:04 PM
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Who did you import yours through?
my local shop in canada.
there are rumers said AD07will be imported to N.America next year. but w/ limited size just like the A048's.(i belive there's only 2 sizes or so avalible for A048s in N.America)
so the odds are you'll still need to import the AD07 from jap.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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Based on what I have read I was thinking that the SO3's would be the way to go if I was to stick with what’s available here.

I have a friend over in Japan who I could always get to ship some AD07 or RE01 to me.

Any idea on about how much either of these go for over in Japan?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Phrost
Based on what I have read I was thinking that the SO3's would be the way to go if I was to stick with what’s available here.

I have a friend over in Japan who I could always get to ship some AD07 or RE01 to me.

Any idea on about how much either of these go for over in Japan?
i doubt any one who have tried AD07, RE01 and PS2 will said SO3 is any better .


it depends on the what size and width you want.
i really cant remembered how much i paid for those, i can only recalled that RE01 is around the same price as AD07.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 08:00 PM
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Well I don't really think that I'm at the skill level yet where I would need to go with the AD07's or RE01's. The SO3 would probably be good for me for now. Then maybe once I get some more track time under my belt, get my new wheels and want to improve on my times I might get my friend to ship some AD07's or RE01's to me.
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Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 will be available in 17" sizes around January 2005 through any US distributor (TireRack, Discount Tire, etc..)

Also the Falken Azenis sport (RT215) is a great tire in 245/45/17 all around for ~$127 each shipped from www.tires.com

The newer Falken Azenis sport (RT615) should be out shortly as well, though I haven't tried it yet to qualify how much stickier it is.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 05:24 AM
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Cool, sounds good.

I'll have to check out the Falkens and the Yokohama Advans will be out before I need to buy them anyways.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 05:38 AM
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Any idea on how much the AD07's will cost?
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Originally posted by Phrost
Any idea on how much the AD07's will cost?
I would guess somewhere around $150 to $200 per tire in 17" sizes and $175 to $230 in 18's (based on current Yokohama AVS Sport pricing).
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 08:09 AM
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That's not too bad, I think I may hold out for those.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Phrost
How does running wider wheels in the rear such as 17x8.5 front and 17x9.5 rear compare to running the same size all around like you are?

Also, are you using that set up for AutoX or road racing?
This is for roadracing, not autoX, although I suppose the setup will work there as well.
The main reason I do this is to ease the complexity of running a staggered setup. I just have to pull'em out of my truck and throw'em on any corner or, depending on what track configuration your running on that particular day (clockwise/conterclockwise, infield, etc.) you can mount the tires to the corners that will take more or less abuse. So, if your inside rear is taking a beating and your outside front has seen little action all day, you can move them around to extend tire wear. Whoo...that was a little long winded.
Also, you do loose some steering feedback in exchange for a little more grip though. It's trade off...
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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This is for roadracing, not autoX, although I suppose the setup will work there as well.
The main reason I do this is to ease the complexity of running a staggered setup. I just have to pull'em out of my truck and throw'em on any corner or, depending on what track configuration your running on that particular day (clockwise/conterclockwise, infield, etc.) you can mount the tires to the corners that will take more or less abuse. So, if your inside rear is taking a beating and your outside front has seen little action all day, you can move them around to extend tire wear. Whoo...that was a little long winded.
Also, you do loose some steering feedback in exchange for a little more grip though. It's trade off...
That make's a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by speedform
This is for roadracing, not autoX, although I suppose the setup will work there as well.
The main reason I do this is to ease the complexity of running a staggered setup. I just have to pull'em out of my truck and throw'em on any corner or, depending on what track configuration your running on that particular day (clockwise/conterclockwise, infield, etc.) you can mount the tires to the corners that will take more or less abuse. So, if your inside rear is taking a beating and your outside front has seen little action all day, you can move them around to extend tire wear. Whoo...that was a little long winded.
Also, you do loose some steering feedback in exchange for a little more grip though. It's trade off...
wow, nice thinking there.
never take a thought so deep.
but as i said previously,it sure is a trade off.
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