Gsedan35, Z1 and coilover gurus, I need some help...
Originally Posted by dklau33
If you do end up with the Zero2's I wouldn't worry to much about the lack of easy adjustability on the rears. Since there's only 5 adjustments I'm sure you will find the setting that suits you very quickly. I've owned them now for about 6 months with 1 track day under it's belt. I found that a setting of 2 all around (1 = softest) is best for street. Unless you have really good roads in your area 3 is a bit harsh. On my track day I did 3 all around and it worked very nicely. I might try 4 all around the next time around. 5 would probably only benefit with R-comp tires on I'm guessing.
IE, a tire with a softer sidewall (Toyo T1R for example) can get away with a bit stiffer of a setting vs, say, an Advan or most Bridgestones (stiffer tire wall)
Originally Posted by kwame@z1
Seriously, what the hell is 100% overbudget?
meaning if he's got $2k to spend, and it costs $4k, you are essentially 100% overbudget (i was referring to the top end Zeals).
100% of $2000 = $2000
$2000+$2000 = $4000
so if you start with your budget, now you're over by 2x.
:P
Last edited by Chebosto; Aug 29, 2007 at 08:41 AM.
Originally Posted by Chebosto
meaning if he's got $2k to spend, and it costs $4k, you are essentially 100% overbudget.
100% of $2000 = $2000
$2000+$2000 = $4000
so if you start with your budget, now you're over by 2x.
:P
100% of $2000 = $2000
$2000+$2000 = $4000
so if you start with your budget, now you're over by 2x.
:P
1 hammer - $8700.00
1 nail - $3200
total for hammer and nail - $23,500 = new line item in appropriations bill lolololol
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
lol - see now you're doing government math
1 hammer - $8700.00
1 nail - $3200
total for hammer and nail - $23,500 = new line item in appropriations bill
1 hammer - $8700.00
1 nail - $3200
total for hammer and nail - $23,500 = new line item in appropriations bill
hehe. you know what i do :P that should come as no surprise hehe.
you should see how much we charge for 1 hour of flight time!!
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
HKS revised their coilover lineup this year so it's a bit different than it used to be. While we certainly can do a special order with them, the only way we do that is via air freight, as waiting for a boat shipment with 90% of these manufacturers is akin to watching paint dry on a wall in the rain forest.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
keep in mind too that your tire setup will play a large role in the ideal damper setting, since it alters the effective spring rate as well IE, a tire with a softer sidewall (Toyo T1R for example) can get away with a bit stiffer of a setting vs, say, an Advan or most Bridgestones (stiffer tire wall)
IE, a tire with a softer sidewall (Toyo T1R for example) can get away with a bit stiffer of a setting vs, say, an Advan or most Bridgestones (stiffer tire wall)
Originally Posted by dklau33
If you do end up with the Zero2's I wouldn't worry to much about the lack of easy adjustability on the rears. Since there's only 5 adjustments I'm sure you will find the setting that suits you very quickly. I've owned them now for about 6 months with 1 track day under it's belt. I found that a setting of 2 all around (1 = softest) is best for street. Unless you have really good roads in your area 3 is a bit harsh. On my track day I did 3 all around and it worked very nicely. I might try 4 all around the next time around. 5 would probably only benefit with R-comp tires on I'm guessing.
Originally Posted by Bahnzii
I have been reading tons of coilover posts, especially those by Gsedan35 and Z1.
With comments from all of those posts, I have narrowed down my requirements to the following:
1. My Z is my daily driver, so it has to be somewhat streetable and pass the 'wife' test
2. I want to get out and do some track days (hpde, road course but no 1/4 mile tracks)
3. I want the rear shocks to be inverted so the adjustments are NOT at the top. (my other car had coilovers and I had to drill through the tub and use a long t-handle allen wrench to make adjustments, it was do-able but a PITA)
4. I want linear springs and in a bias as Gsedan and Z1 have mentioned (front mid-500's and rear around 500) or at least in that neighborhood
5. Single or double adjustable, I'm still undecided on this one, though I am sure as I do more track days I would appreciate/desire independent compression and rebound adjustability
6. I want to lower the car about an 1" and I also want to corner weight.
7. I do NOT want true coilovers!! After looking at my car from underneath, reading various posts and talking to a current racer in the Koni challenge series, there is no way I want to run that kind of coilover in the rear.
In order to put a percentage on my driving requirements they are;
70% commuting | 20% winding road corner thrashing | 10% track days
- - - my track day % will probably increase
Price point, I am willing to spend up to 2k. Now if the ideal set is somewhat over 2k, I will stretch, though I am not sure I will stretch to 3k
I have a set of hotchkis sways (still to be installed) that I will use in conjunction with whatever coilovers I decide upon.
All of my reading has netted me that Truechoice Koni's fit the above requirements but I have to assume there are other options.
Ok, time to step back and start reading your replies...
p.s. I hope this thread will help others with similar requirements as me...
With comments from all of those posts, I have narrowed down my requirements to the following:
1. My Z is my daily driver, so it has to be somewhat streetable and pass the 'wife' test
2. I want to get out and do some track days (hpde, road course but no 1/4 mile tracks)
3. I want the rear shocks to be inverted so the adjustments are NOT at the top. (my other car had coilovers and I had to drill through the tub and use a long t-handle allen wrench to make adjustments, it was do-able but a PITA)
4. I want linear springs and in a bias as Gsedan and Z1 have mentioned (front mid-500's and rear around 500) or at least in that neighborhood
5. Single or double adjustable, I'm still undecided on this one, though I am sure as I do more track days I would appreciate/desire independent compression and rebound adjustability
6. I want to lower the car about an 1" and I also want to corner weight.
7. I do NOT want true coilovers!! After looking at my car from underneath, reading various posts and talking to a current racer in the Koni challenge series, there is no way I want to run that kind of coilover in the rear.
In order to put a percentage on my driving requirements they are;
70% commuting | 20% winding road corner thrashing | 10% track days
- - - my track day % will probably increase
Price point, I am willing to spend up to 2k. Now if the ideal set is somewhat over 2k, I will stretch, though I am not sure I will stretch to 3k
I have a set of hotchkis sways (still to be installed) that I will use in conjunction with whatever coilovers I decide upon.
All of my reading has netted me that Truechoice Koni's fit the above requirements but I have to assume there are other options.
Ok, time to step back and start reading your replies...
p.s. I hope this thread will help others with similar requirements as me...
1) It passes the fiance test so I assume it will pass the wife test also for ride quality on the street
2) It has proven a very capable track setup in the many trips i've taken to various road courses around Texas along with many 7k rpm launches at the drag strip
3) This is the only criteria that doesn't match. The rear shocks do need to be adjusted from the top
4) You can get this setup with linear Swift springs and order whatever spring rate you'd like.
5) Single adjustable
6) No problem with changing ride height
7) These are not true coilovers and actually replace the rear factory spring arm with a billet one with an integrated height adjustment perch. Plenty of camber and toe adjustment when used with their rear camber arm.
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