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Old Sep 2, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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Default Lowering with Eibach spring...

What do i need more than that...?
Rear camber arms..? Front..?
Is anyone familiar with this issue...??
Pls, let me know..
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Old Sep 2, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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You don't need anything more then springs if you don't want them.
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Old Sep 2, 2013 | 11:28 AM
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I've got the sportline eibachs…and sorta a opinionated question but yes, you can only buy the lowering springs and everything will bolt back together but your camber and your toe will be all messed up. In my opinion it'll look like crap…I can always tell when someone half-***' a suspension job With that being said, the car will not handle or corner as well as it would have if you would have left it OEM or bought the adjusters. I think of the suspension as a rubiks cube - you move one thing and everything else needs adjusted accordingly.

I would highly recommend you buy the rear camber and toe adjusters…and don't buy some ebay junk for $100 because the parts will break and when they break it will not be pretty. Spend the money on quality parts because they will last. I bought the Stillen camber and toe combo pack about 5 years ago and I have never had an issue.

You really don't need to buy anything for the fronts. Because the 'wishbone' suspension the fronts 'self-adjust' for the shorter spring height.

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Old Sep 2, 2013 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bealljk
I've got the sportline eibachs…and sorta a opinionated question but yes, you can only buy the lowering springs and everything will bolt back together but your camber and your toe will be all messed up. In my opinion it'll look like crap…I can always tell when someone half-***' a suspension job With that being said, the car will not handle or corner as well as it would have if you would have left it OEM or bought the adjusters. I think of the suspension as a rubiks cube - you move one thing and everything else needs adjusted accordingly.

I would highly recommend you buy the rear camber and toe adjusters…and don't buy some ebay junk for $100 because the parts will break and when they break it will not be pretty. Spend the money on quality parts because they will last. I bought the Stillen camber and toe combo pack about 5 years ago and I have never had an issue.

You really don't need to buy anything for the fronts. Because the 'wishbone' suspension the fronts 'self-adjust' for the shorter spring height.
You have a little bit of a clue , but defiantly no understanding.

The front self adjusting wishbone part , I almost fell off the couch laughing.

Facts, the rear may or may not need additional parts to get back not alignment spec.

The front will be out of spec, who cars about factory camber spec anyhow. Forget about camber spec and have the toe set.
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bealljk
I've got the sportline eibachs…and sorta a opinionated question but yes, you can only buy the lowering springs and everything will bolt back together but your camber and your toe will be all messed up. In my opinion it'll look like crap…I can always tell when someone half-***' a suspension job With that being said, the car will not handle or corner as well as it would have if you would have left it OEM or bought the adjusters. I think of the suspension as a rubiks cube - you move one thing and everything else needs adjusted accordingly.

I would highly recommend you buy the rear camber and toe adjusters…and don't buy some ebay junk for $100 because the parts will break and when they break it will not be pretty. Spend the money on quality parts because they will last. I bought the Stillen camber and toe combo pack about 5 years ago and I have never had an issue.

You really don't need to buy anything for the fronts. Because the 'wishbone' suspension the fronts 'self-adjust' for the shorter spring height.


LMFAO da fuq? ^

OP your rear shouldnt need it to get back into spec, your front will though just like Terra said BUT a little camber in the front never hurt nobody, it will actually help the car handle a little better in the front, but tire wear will go up though as well, thats the trade off

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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 10:35 AM
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I like it when my suspension arms self adjust. It feels like a transformer ...
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 01:05 PM
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Hahahaha ^
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 05:34 PM
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I recently installed eibach pro kit. Took the Z for alignment last week. The front was in spec. The rear camber was out of spec and I added a little toe in. Now the front toe and front camber are in specs but the rear camber isn't. If I am not mistaken, rear camber is set to 1.8.

I did not bother buying anything else as,
Z is not my DD. With stock suspension the tires lasted only 9k and the alignment was in spec for that period, I had the alignment checked every 6 months.

Alignment shops said that they can add shims to bring alignment in spec, I have never added them on any car though.

You may need new aftermarket shocks. Most say that stock shocks will undergo rapid wear if you use them with lowering springs. I went with tokico dspec.

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Old Sep 5, 2013 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JohanW
What do i need more than that...?
Rear camber arms..? Front..?
Is anyone familiar with this issue...??
Pls, let me know..
BR,
I have a 2004.5 coupe, which is a DD. I recently installed the Eibach Pro springs with revalved Bilstein shocks / dampers. I also installed front SPC adjustable control arms and in the rear SPL adjustable lower link and SPC toe bolts. After getting the car aligned, it rides great and handles the curves extremely well. After further research, I probably should have purchased the SPL front upper control arms (higher quality - but I'm not tracking the car), there are no issues with the SPC arms . The alignment guy said it was well worth changing the upper control arms, rear lower link and rear toe bolts as he was able to get the lowered car within factory specs and the suspension mods made the job easy. The mods also allow you to go outside the factory alignment specs for additional agressive driving. I highly recommend doing the other suspension mods along with different shocks when installing lowering springs. You'll be happy you did!
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Old Sep 5, 2013 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by terrasmak
Facts, the rear may or may not need additional parts to get back not alignment spec. The front will be out of spec, who cars about factory camber spec anyhow. Forget about camber spec and have the toe set.
are you reading what youre typing? Of course the rear will be out of spec if you install lowering springs and no other means to adjust for the change in ride height…

and then the front WILL be out of spec?

Originally Posted by Z-Crazy
I recently installed eibach pro kit. Took the Z for alignment last week. The front was in spec.
meaning Z-crazy did NOTHING!! AND IT WAS IN SPEC!! So, in fact the fronts do SELF ADJUST for the lowered ride height…

Originally Posted by POS VETT
I like it when my suspension arms self adjust. It feels like a transformer ...
No, look what I wrote, nothing to do with the arms, the entire front suspension system in general!

OP, if you want to install the lowering springs…do it…get everything back together and you tell us if handle is better or worse than the OEM setup…
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Old Sep 9, 2013 | 10:32 PM
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Did you roll your fenders for the SPORTLINES? Was that needed for you?
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ZROCM
I have a 2004.5 coupe, which is a DD. I recently installed the Eibach Pro springs with revalved Bilstein shocks / dampers. I also installed front SPC adjustable control arms and in the rear SPL adjustable lower link and SPC toe bolts. After getting the car aligned, it rides great and handles the curves extremely well. After further research, I probably should have purchased the SPL front upper control arms (higher quality - but I'm not tracking the car), there are no issues with the SPC arms . The alignment guy said it was well worth changing the upper control arms, rear lower link and rear toe bolts as he was able to get the lowered car within factory specs and the suspension mods made the job easy. The mods also allow you to go outside the factory alignment specs for additional agressive driving. I highly recommend doing the other suspension mods along with different shocks when installing lowering springs. You'll be happy you did!
Best regards,
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Here's an update for my spring swap!

I tried the Bilstein shocks with the Eibach Pro progressive springs (spring rates in LBS initial/final front 296/384 initial/final rear 316/421). Initially I thought the springs were very good. But after 3.5 weeks the ride wasn't as smooth while driving the city streets and on the highways as I was expecting. The ride was a little jittery on the highway. When the roads were relatively smooth, the ride was great. I also noticed the steering was less responsive. Turn in was slower. Not good! I liked the lower ride and stance of the car, but I wasn't happy with the overall ride and less responsive steering. At times the ride was smooth, then harsh. It seemed as though there was never a gradual shift as the springs stiffened up from their lower spring rates to the upper rates. It seemed as though there was a sudden step change. It just wasn't smooth. The springs lower the car by 1 inch front and rear.

I then switched out the Eibach springs for a set of RSR Ti2000 linear springs. These springs lower the car by .6 inches on the front and rear. The spring rates are 345 for the front and 417 for the rear. I found the RSR springs to be a great match with the Bilstein shocks. The ride is fantastic - firm ride and well controlled when rolling over wavy and/or rough roads. No jittery ride. The car takes the turns extremely well. The quick steering response returned! Maybe the improved steering came back because I switched back to linear springs? Note, for both setups I have the SPC adjustable upper control arms in the front and in the rear SPC toe bolts, and SPL adjustable lower link.
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