Yesterday I rinsed my car with water and left it, that was big mistake... I got water spots all over the car and was unable to remove them till now... still don't know what to do... Tried the Z6 but does nothing... While I reward Zaino for the shine results, I can clearly say this product is very poor when considering it for water spots and probably other type of spots... These things for some reason go into the Zaino film and stay there... I had the Touch of Class made by Nissan on my car... some on this forum call it sham and crap but guys all I can tell you, my car never had any issue with water spots nor dust... I do not know what this TOC product but I guess I need to go back to my dealer to re-apply that material... I do not know else what to do... is there any other product out there that is more resistant to hard water spots...? How can I get them removed now? I have a few coats of Z5 and more of Z2 and hope I do not need to remove them all!
Thanks.

 

I might suggest using the Z5. I'm in NM where the water is hard. I have done the full Zaino treatment including Dawn, Clay, Z5 (4) and Z2 (7). When I get water spots I apply a coat of Z5, followed by Z6, Z2 and finish with Z6. Spots are gone!

 

I have had drying issues and ended up with hard water spots too. I applied one coat of Z5 and most of the spots were gone. Then hit it with Z6 and one coat of Z2 the next day and all hard water spots were gone. The Z5 is a must for removing these water spots. Good Luck. Later.

 

Not sure what is happening. I've never really had any big problems with water spots. Most likely because if it is raining my car is in the garage or moving, in which case, the water zips right off of the car.

I suppose you should just try to avoid them by getting the car out of the sun when you wash it or by using a California water blade (I use one before I dry the car) as it rids the car of all major water quickly before it can dry. I also try to wash as the sun is going down.

The ones I have had came off pretty easily with a Z-6 misting.

 

I pretty much use the same purpose as Bonz.

Nothing but a sparkling car here.

 

Thanks all for the advices, I will try the Z5 first and see what happens. Every since I started to use Zaino I also has litle problems as I kept drying the car quickly, but I am pretty much sure that every type of residue, whether hard water or stuff get down from trees or whatever, with Zaino, it will be hard to remove. I do not know whay but it seems to me as these things dissolves into the Zaino film and pretty much stuck there... I had previuosly a problem with another drip I had and the when I got to the dealer they re-apply that TOC and off it went... I like the Zaino results in terms of shine but if any one of you wish to make a true test, simply pick small part on the car, apply hard water and see why you do not want that to happened to you with this Zaino... I will mail Zaino about it and hopefully see some comment from them about that... Until then, I will try the Z5... Thanks again.

 

We have very hard water here and I have not had this problem with Zaino. Also, I don't wash it in the sun.

 

Taya, where in Oregon are you where you are getting hard water?

 

I am in Potland, some houses here are old and the water system is bad... that's where it comes from, I did not have this problem from rain or most of houses, however, old propoerties might have the issue. At Autopia.org someone made a comment that Zaino needs protection... sounds weird but I think this guy is right on to that Zaino product....

 

Don't use Z5 to try and remove water spots. I hope the original suggestion was a typo, and meant Z6. If you use Z5, you're going to be covering the spot with polish, and the spot will be locked in. The only way to get it off after that is to use 3M swirl mark remover or similar product.

The best idea is to not let tap water sit on your car in the sun. Don't wash/rinse your car when the sun is out. Wait until dusk (or get started at dawn). If you have a dark car, spots can form in less than a minute when the sun is hot.

Z7 is designed to break the surface tension of the water, which will leave less spots. Rinsing without a hose nozzle will also help sheet the water instead of leaving spots. Spray attachments are a bad idea.

Using a waterblade or an electric leaf blower can help, but one person can't rinse and dry fast enough to keep the spots away.

If you get spots, spray & wipe with Z6 - if that doesn't work, use white vinegar, then wash with Z7. If that doesn't work, use 3M sirl mark remover, then wash with dawn and re-apply Zaino polish.

 

Taya,

That makes sense... Oregon doesn't have "hard water" to say, but if you are in an old section of PDX, the pipes are probably giving you some extra mineral.

I'm out in Hillsboro, so if you ever want to do a wash out here with the normal soft Oregon water let me know and I'll be happy to help out.

 

So I have gone back to my dealership who gave me a handful of the Touch of Class stuff, I have posted before that this material was the only one able to remove stains I got on my Zaino film, as before this time it did the magic again. I did not need to use Vinegar nor to remove thee vax (and do recall, that I was unable to remove the spots with anything)... This TOC stuff is magic and not only that, its been 2 days now and NO DUST on the car...

So my (own) conclusions are:
1. Zaino is a great product and provide great shine results.
2. Zaino has poor durability (I would use it for show room but keep away from my day to day car)
3. Zaino is indeed a DUST Magnet
4. TOC is very difficult to apply (easy on, very difficult off)
5. No dust and No water spots what's or ever with this TOC.
6. Like another person mentioned here, and I would agree, Zaino might not be the right choice for Black! might be much better on silver etc. (especially where dust does not exhibit much)

I will try to have some coats of Zaino while coating them all with TOC film to protect.

Needless to say, the relection as a result of the TOC application did not change much or at all...

Thanks you all for the inputs!

 

Interesting... My bet is this Touch of Class stuff is something on par with the 3M swirl remover/polishes. Probably does a real good job of cleaning up your car and providing a short term solutions, but it is probably offering no long-term protection.

I cannot prove this... I'm just basing this on comments I have read here and elsewhere. I'd still recommend Zainoing your Z after the ToC treatment.

As for Zaino on dark colors, like Dr Bonz, I have a Brickyard 350Z and it is pretty dark color. I have had not problem with waterspots at all using Zaino. I do have some swirls, which I think is unavoidable with dark colors, but nothing a good polish wouldn't take out. I just haven't had enough time to polish and redo the full Zaino treatment in one weekend yet. Probably will do that come fall.

 

Duck - The TOC comes from the dealer with 5! years warrty, I had it on the car for just under a year and has no spots no issues what's or ever. It does not provide the same shine results as Zaino but it is way more durable... I think most here do not understand the issues we are posting with Hard spots with Zaino... The issue is that if you have hard water or if you have tree crap on your car or any other residue you may want to consider (that include Proteine shake) All of these will not be easy to remove if any at all with Zaino on your car... It is a very simply test you can all do and see the results.. My car has excellent shine now as some 7 Zaino coats but these are all covered with a TOC protection....

 

Well shoot. My DB just got sprayed by a sprinkler it was parked next to this week. It was in the sun I was was not there to pay attention. The water landed on the hood. Their are a lot of water spots on the hood now that I CANNOT get off and I have many many Zaino coats on her. I'm so pissed. I am wondering to if this is a negative characteristic of Zaino. Looks like I will have to strip the hood and start all over again with it. I tried vinager and it did nothing. I guess I will get some of that 3m swirl remover stuff, dawn, Z7, Z6, Z5, Z6, Z5, Z6, Z2, Z6, Z2, Z6 and blah blah blah...........

 

You guys must really have water problems. I've been using Zaino for 5 years and have NEVER had a single problem with water spots, they all wipe right off with the Z-6. It also lasts all through the winter and still beads when I get to wash it right in the spring. I wonder what the problem is in your area.

 

throbbing_Zon,

Sorry about your pain! I understand your frustration.

I think you have gone through what I am trying to point out to many of the friends here. You will not be able to remove that so don't scrap hard. On the other hand, I went to my dealer who gladly provided me with more of the TOC material, well, this is simply some kind of a wax (which is easy on, very difficult off) and everything was gone... You might want to check with your dealer, to see if you can get that, it will save striping the zaino layers... I did that over 7 layers of zaino, it removed all the hard water spots but the shine has somewhat degraded as well... I will need more coats now... Maybe there are other waxes that will help get this off...
On another note, I think zaino needs to provide some clear answer or solution for this problem with their product

Kevin - Rain is not an issue and regular water spots is not an issue, try to have sprinklers go off on your car or some tree residue, any type of stuff is for some reason attracked to the zaino layer and it is impossible to be removed. All my tries with the Z6 did not yield any results by the way...

 

Taya, So u are saying that even if I strip it down to the clear coat that the spots will still be there? This is probably true as I have some water spots on the back lid where it is dished right below the rear window. I tried vinegar on that, recommended by a Zaino dealer and it did nothing at all. I Dawned and nothing.
I wonder if I am really stripping all the Zaino off.
Does anyone know, "Bonz", how to really strip Zaino for sure. I mean maybe the Dawn wash wasn't enough??? Have those water spots gone completely through the Zaino and right to the clear coat I wonder. This sucks and we really need to know how to deal with it besides going to the dealer for something which I hate having to do. I do everything I can to avoid water spots but sometimes it just happens, you know.

 

I get the same water spot and dust problems with zaino. Dust seems to love to stick to it, i'm starting to think its the Z6... within 2-3 days its coated, and not just on the top.

I'm ready to give blackfire and crystal guard a try.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing today, zxsaint. After I do Z6 and then take her out I notice after a little drive that the back end is terrible with de_dust. But the Zaino dudes say that Z6 is 60% more effective at being an antistatic agent, more effective than what I don't remember exactly. I swear that that is not true. I would say it is 60% more of a static agent. I hate slamming Zaino because I have loved it. But a few things are not adding up here.

................Now I too am wondering, should their be a Z in Zaino?