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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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Ive been looking to get a turbo kit but decided that with a goal of around 400HP it might be a better idea just to go full NA (cams, polished heads, headers back, possible cosworth bottom if needed, intake, cosworth plenum) just make a full NA beast and not have to worrie about reliability.
I cant find anyone that has done it on here. Ive searched and cant find any threads reguarding FULL MOTOR no FI. Can anyone help?
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Originally Posted by quietkilla6
Ive been looking to get a turbo kit but decided that with a goal of around 400HP it might be a better idea just to go full NA (cams, polished heads, headers back, possible cosworth bottom if needed, intake, cosworth plenum) just make a full NA beast and not have to worrie about reliability.
I cant find anyone that has done it on here. Ive searched and cant find any threads reguarding FULL MOTOR no FI. Can anyone help?
As far as I know, no one has been able to reach that goal NA. I'm breaking it to you easy so don't be surprised when the flames come.
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As far as I know, no one has been able to reach that goal NA. I'm breaking it to you easy so don't be surprised when the flames come.
im already expecting the flame but atleast my questions valid unlike that seat possion crap
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Search next time.
https://my350z.com/forum/na-builds-498/

Edit: we don't really like "HP" #, we like "WHP".

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Originally Posted by quietkilla6
im already expecting the flame but atleast my questions valid unlike that seat possion crap
LOL @ seat position post
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Search next time.
https://my350z.com/forum/na-builds-498/

Edit: we don't really like "HP" #, we like "WHP".
seriously guys i tried searching plenty times ive waited like a month to post this because i expected flame but thanks for the help
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400hp at the crank could prolly be done with a stroker kit. A G35 is making close to 400bhp i think. im guessing around 340-360whp on a dynojet

as for retaining stock displacement, best we have here so far is 322whp.

but yeah check out the link above
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ERRR i many be new to this 350z forum did you say 400 N/A is not possible!!!!??? i have a Fairlady Z that is N/A with 467bhp i can send anyone the spec or the dyno sheet who wants to see it
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ERRR i many be new to this 350z forum did you say 400 N/A is not possible!!!!??? i have a Fairlady Z that is N/A with 467bhp i can send anyone the spec or the dyno sheet who wants to see it
Why not just post it here?

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I'd like to see it. I dont believe you could make that power with a N/A pump gas motor that could be reliably daily driven, but I have been wrong before...LOL.
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Originally Posted by quietkilla6
I cant find anyone that has done it on here.
That means you would be the first. A 350Z pioneer so to speak.
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That means you would be the first. A 350Z pioneer so to speak.
Well i bought my car from japan i live in germany and work at the nurnberg ring fior a comopany that look after rich people cars that are to lazy to drive them over,i dyno it at work quite often i post alot of my result on 350z UK forum, well the engine spec is as follows,

The heads where done in house by mines in japan along with the bottom end it has mines custom H section con rods custom pistion, i had to use a nismo cranksshaft machined to match the the bottom half to due minor difference in the block all the block and heads along with the component have been cryo treated to insure relabilty, the heads are done by top secret in japan and come complete with individual throttle body set up gold trumpet ones you many have seen them, the ECU the pain on the 350z is a HKS F-CON remaped in the UK of pump 100 octane fuel, the manifols are nismo spec R ones ported to match the exhaust outlets on the block, the i have 400 cell sport catt and run a APS 3'' dual exhaust. just to make thing sclear that is 470 bhp at the wheels gentleman not the crank, i have been to many meets in the UK and owned 700BHP twin turbo ones there is no substitue for a proper N/A engine hope that helps i will put sum pics up later on guys
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If this is true that is an impressive setup to say the least. in for pics/dyno.
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Here is my dyno form this year on a meet which had a Twin turbo there he was pretty upset to say the least
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Hope you all like i will get picks for you all soon
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Originally Posted by craig_dwyerDK
Well i bought my car from japan i live in germany and work at the nurnberg ring fior a comopany that look after rich people cars that are to lazy to drive them over,i dyno it at work quite often i post alot of my result on 350z UK forum, well the engine spec is as follows,

The heads where done in house by mines in japan along with the bottom end it has mines custom H section con rods custom pistion, i had to use a nismo cranksshaft machined to match the the bottom half to due minor difference in the block all the block and heads along with the component have been cryo treated to insure relabilty, the heads are done by top secret in japan and come complete with individual throttle body set up gold trumpet ones you many have seen them, the ECU the pain on the 350z is a HKS F-CON remaped in the UK of pump 100 octane fuel, the manifols are nismo spec R ones ported to match the exhaust outlets on the block, the i have 400 cell sport catt and run a APS 3'' dual exhaust. just to make thing sclear that is 470 bhp at the wheels gentleman not the crank, i have been to many meets in the UK and owned 700BHP twin turbo ones there is no substitue for a proper N/A engine hope that helps i will put sum pics up later on guys
I would love to believe you without a shadow of a doubt but what you're saying in the post I have just quoted really doesn't make much sense.

1. Who did the heads? Mines? Top Secret?

2. You keep saying that this car has 47? bhp at the wheels. If you honestly knew what your were talking about you wouldn't make this mistake more than once and you would know that, that statement is an oxymoron. Brake horsepower and the horsepower made at the wheels are two different things.
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Originally Posted by craig_dwyerDK
Well i bought my car from japan i live in germany and work at the nurnberg ring fior a comopany that look after rich people cars that are to lazy to drive them over,i dyno it at work quite often i post alot of my result on 350z UK forum, well the engine spec is as follows,

The heads where done in house by mines in japan along with the bottom end it has mines custom H section con rods custom pistion, i had to use a nismo cranksshaft machined to match the the bottom half to due minor difference in the block all the block and heads along with the component have been cryo treated to insure relabilty, the heads are done by top secret in japan and come complete with individual throttle body set up gold trumpet ones you many have seen them, the ECU the pain on the 350z is a HKS F-CON remaped in the UK of pump 100 octane fuel, the manifols are nismo spec R ones ported to match the exhaust outlets on the block, the i have 400 cell sport catt and run a APS 3'' dual exhaust. just to make thing sclear that is 470 bhp at the wheels gentleman not the crank, i have been to many meets in the UK and owned 700BHP twin turbo ones there is no substitue for a proper N/A engine hope that helps i will put sum pics up later on guys
I call and what the heck is the nurnberg ring. If you work there you should know what it is called and how to spell it.
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I would love to see pictures. I really do hope that what you are saying is legit, but of course I have my doubts.

I just don't want to see one of these again ...
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-driv...n-monster.html

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Originally Posted by Kwame@z1
I would love to believe you without a shadow of a doubt but what you're saying in the post I have just quoted really doesn't make much sense.

1. Who did the heads? Mines? Top Secret?

2. You keep saying that this car has 47? bhp at the wheels. If you honestly knew what your were talking about you wouldn't make this mistake more than once and you would know that, that statement is an oxymoron. Brake horsepower and the horsepower made at the wheels are two different things.
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"Brake horsepower (abbreviated bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as alternator, power steering pump, muffled exhaust system, etc. "Brake" refers to how horsepower was originally measured and calculated, by means of a De Prony brake connected to the engine's output shaft. More recently, an engine dynamometer is used instead of a De Prony brake. The output delivered to the driving wheels is less than that obtainable at the engine's crankshaft."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepo...ake_horsepower

OP u r most certainly confused, as pointed out by Kwame.

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Sorry computer geeks!!! jonny law nice cut and paste i didnt come to talk temrs with you BHP & WHP i will remember next time i didnt do anywof the work to the car i just imported it that way was as suprised as you with then spec list but assured by the importer, i dont claim to know everything or anything, just what i was told the block where done by mines in house and the heads by top secret to match the Throttle body set up. Oh an pikey peak Z boy sorry it kind of silly to write Nürburgring without a german keyboard im at work now so i ahve one old boy



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