JDMStanced

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i'm in the market of buying some temp gauges. I came up with couple of options:
1) Ultra Gauge- $80. Cheap but does not look pretty, and does not update very fast for motorsport use.
2) www.glowshiftdirect.com Custome gauge package. $149.99 includes three gauges and a pillar triple pod.
3) buying 3 individual guages from autometer and mount them between the AC controller and the shifter. I have 05 350z.
The three gauges i need are Oil temp, Water temp and....exhaust temp or some other temp gauge.
Which option would you guys prefer to choose if you were in the market of buying?

Would i need to buy sandwitch plate for oil temp gauge? Glowshiftdirect sells the oil temp gauge with temp sending unit included but i don't want to drill a hole in my stillen oil pan.
With Ultra Gauge, you get the oil temp displayed just by plugging it in the OBDll. So....i'm assuming there's oil temp unit already mounted in our 03~05 cars?

thank you

03threefiftyz

iTrader: (25)

Why do you "need" these gauges? What is the extent of the racing....if it is mostly autocross I wouldn't worry about them.

NissanZ03

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I have oil/water temp gauges in my car. For the oil temp gauge I did have to buy an oil sandwich plate, which is actually a very simple install. It comes with the sandwich plate and an adaptor that allows you to simply place it where you would normally put the filter back on and tighten it as normal, just with the sandwich plate inbetween, if that makes any sense.

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

i guess i don't "need" these gauges but it's always good to have gauges to monitor how my engine's doing. My interior is too simple...wanna add some gauges to decorate hahah
I'll mostly use my car for autox..twice a month. Will start drifting in couple months or so.

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

Yep it makes sense. can your sandwich plate be used for both cooling mod and oil temp unit?

terrasmak

iTrader: (8)

Oil temp can easily be done with a JWT oil pan spacer, just use a port for the unused turbo return lines. If you want to drift or track your car you should have an oil pan spacer or aftermarket pan. The other gauge that is nice is a wideband 02, eapecially if you start tuning your car. Those are really the only two gauges you need for an NA car that you don't already have.

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

I already have a stillen oil pan. It only has a hole for drain plug..
When you says wideband 02, you mean A/F ratio gauge? i heard exhaust temp gauge can be replaced with A/F ratio gauge.

ThreeFiveZero Z

iTrader: (23)

No need for an air/fuel gauge on a stock engine. If you want to do gauges, I would replace the the stock oil pressure with a Defi/Autometer, maybe swap the voltmeter for a Defi/Autometer water. Dont buy cheap gauges!

JDMStanced

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the more the gauges, the better for me i'll keep the voltmeter and the stock pressure.
I'm thinking of adding water temp, and oil temp for sure.
Is water temp gauge necessary? i assume water temp is....the temp in the radiator?

terrasmak

iTrader: (8)

yes water temp is the one you already have in your dash.

Keep gauges minimal, you can only see so much at speed. Pillar mounts actually suck, very hard to see. I had boost and A/F there on my supra and only A/F there on my skyline.

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

Oh...that thing is water temp..i see no point of having another one. The one in the dash works fine.
That tells me i only need Oil temp for now.
How come just by connecting the wire from Ultra Gauge to OBDll, i get oil temp reading? don't we need to have sandwich plate installed with sensor?

Z1 Performance

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You have no practical need for oil temp either to be honest

mhoward1

The 350Z caries 32+ pid readings from the ECU/PCM.

They include
PID Description
(hex)
0 PIDs supported
1 Number of trouble codes and I/M info
2 Freeze DTC
3 Fuel system status
4 Calculated engine load value
5 Engine coolant temperature
6 Short term fuel*% trim—Bank 1
7 Long term fuel*% trim—Bank 1
8 Short term fuel*% trim—Bank 2
9 Long term fuel*% trim—Bank 2
0A Fuel pressure
0B Intake manifold pressure
0C Engine RPM
0D Vehicle speed
0E Timing advance
0F Intake air temperature
0G Oil Temp
10 MAF air flow rate
11 Throttle position
12 Sec.(?) air status
13 Oxygen sensors present
14 Bank 1, Sensor 1:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
15 Bank 1, Sensor 2:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
16 Bank 1, Sensor 3:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
17 Bank 1, Sensor 4:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
18 Bank 2, Sensor 1:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
19 Bank 2, Sensor 2:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
1A Bank 2, Sensor 3:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
1B Bank 2, Sensor 4:
Oxygen sensor voltage,
Short term fuel trim
1C OBD standards this vehicle conforms to
1D Oxygen sensors present
1E Auxiliary input status

1F Run time since engine start
20 PIDs supported 21-40
21 Distance traveled with malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on
22 Fuel Rail Pressure (relative to manifold vacuum)
23 Fuel Rail Pressure (diesel)
24 O2S1_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
25 O2S2_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
26 O2S3_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
27 O2S4_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
28 O2S5_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
29 O2S6_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
2A O2S7_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
2B O2S8_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Voltage
2C Commanded EGR
2D EGR Error
2E Commanded evaporative purge
2F Fuel Level Input
30 # of warm-ups since codes cleared
31 Distance traveled since codes cleared
32 Evap. System Vapor Pressure
33 Barometric pressure
34 O2S1_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
35 O2S2_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
36 O2S3_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
37 O2S4_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
38 O2S5_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
39 O2S6_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
3A O2S7_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
3B O2S8_WR_lambda(1):
Equivalence Ratio
Current
3C Catalyst Temperature
Bank 1, Sensor 1
3D Catalyst Temperature
Bank 2, Sensor 1
3E Catalyst Temperature
Bank 1, Sensor 2
3F Catalyst Temperature
Bank 2, Sensor 2
40 PIDs supported 41-60 (?)
41 Monitor status this drive cycle
42 Control module voltage
43 Absolute load value
44 Command equivalence ratio
45 Relative throttle position
46 Ambient air temperature
47 Absolute throttle position B
48 Absolute throttle position C
49 Accelerator pedal position D
4A Accelerator pedal position E
4B Accelerator pedal position F
4C Commanded throttle actuator
4D Time run with MIL on
4E Time since trouble codes cleared
2 Freeze frame trouble code
N/A Request trouble codes
N/A Clear trouble codes / Malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) / Check engine light
2 Vehicle identification number (VIN)

Some items though you can not see via OBDII/Can that you will probably want to monitor with drifting is transmission and Diff temps.

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

to install tranny and diff temp sensor, u simply screw in the sensor instead of drain/fill plug?

Z1 Performance

iTrader: (564)

no...because where would your drain plugs go?

a diff temp sensor? a trans temp sensor? on a street car? what's the point in monitering something where you don't know what the right reading is in the first place?

if you're going to get a gauge, get something worthwhile - for a nearly stock, non boosted car...your car comes with all the gauges it needs for all practical purposes. Dress up is fine...save your money and put it towards something like new seats would serve that purpose, and assist you with future plans for the car (auto-x/drift), or tires, or suspension, etc

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

I was doing some research on installing tranny/diff temp sensor. these guys from a random forum were saying something about installing the sensor to the drain OR filling hole. You could unbolt the sensor if you wish to drain or fill in the future lol I thought it was a smart idea.
If not oil temp, diff temp, trans temp, water temp, voltage, A/F ratio, fuel pressure, or oil pressure for a street driven low class racing car, what are the most worthwhile gauges? i'm leaning toward either triple A pillar pod or Ultra gauge.

terrasmak

iTrader: (8)

I think you missed this part

ThreeFiveZero Z

iTrader: (23)

I would just do a tranny cooler and a Nismo finned rear diff cover and not worry about it...my 2 cents.

Z1 Performance

iTrader: (564)

truth^

And even a trans cooler for an otherwise stock car being autox'd is pushing it

Modding is great but if you are modding for competition, mod with purpose IMHO. Or just put the money towards seat time, tires, LSD or some other item that will have a practical benefit on your times. You don't have a race car.

Good luck whichever route you go

JDMStanced

iTrader: (16)

^^ i totally understood you after today's Autox event. Now i truly know what i NEED.
Racing harness. My body was diving forward so much when braking hard, my face pointing at my hood; all i see is a cone 5 feet ahead of me...........i remind myself to look ahead far but it just didnt happen on my second autox event..