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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by westpak
LOL, I 'll do the interviews and screening No problem I will check with Roger C when he does the install.



As a matter of fact we looked at them last night, main things I noticed were no fuel return but still have to go into fuel tank and modify, no piggyback to wire in, drill hole in engine block , a/c discharge and recharge for line install, no injector harness work. Man that kit has a ****load of tubes/manifolds and what a puny IC for the money the APS single seems a much better option IMHO
Puny intercooler? That intercooler can flow for much more power then this kit delivers. While the APS maybe taller then the Spearco one the Spearco does have a thicker core.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:48 AM
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Don't let some dude who said that crap to you do the install. Walk away.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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I plan on installing myself but I called 2 well known local shops for the hell of it. One shop told me $980, the other said $1100. Both said they take their time and have done installs in 12-14 hours, not 10-12. This was just for the kit not the guages.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by westpak
As a matter of fact we looked at them last night, main things I noticed were no fuel return but still have to go into fuel tank and modify, no piggyback to wire in, drill hole in engine block , a/c discharge and recharge for line install, no injector harness work. Man that kit has a ****load of tubes/manifolds and what a puny IC for the money the APS single seems a much better option IMHO
I'm not going to drill a hole in the block if I don't have to. I read you ca ninstall an oil pan spacer and drill the oil return into that. Iwill have to find out the specifics.

A/C line will have already been installed by the time the car gets to the shop. So tell Roger to charge me for the install without the A/C line exchange and recharge.

We'll the intercooler isn't a funtion of money... ie the more you spend on it the better it works. I guess it's size is a result of it being much more efficient than that vertical flow crap APS uses. Hence the smaller size.

Is APS still in business? I heard they gave up making turbocharger kits, and went into vaccum and household appliance sales.

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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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I'm not going to drill a hole in the block if I don't have to. I read you ca ninstall an oil pan spacer and drill the oil return into that. Iwill have to find out the specifics.

A/C line will have already been installed by the time the car gets to the shop. So tell Roger to charge me for the install without the A/C line exchange and recharge.

We'll the intercooler isn't a funtion of money... ie the more you spend on it the better it works. I guess it's size is a result of it being much more efficient than that vertical flow crap APS uses. Hence the smaller size.

Is APS still in business? I heard they gave up making turbocharger kits, and went into vaccum and household appliance sales.

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You can in fact tap the oil return into the JWT pan spacer. There are several members who have done this successfully and JWT uses the pan spacer as the return point for their twin turbos. And as unpleasant as tapping your stock pan sounds I haven't seen anyone who did this dragging a James Bond smoke screen behind their car like some kits that use a replacment pan.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
I'm not going to drill a hole in the block if I don't have to. I read you ca ninstall an oil pan spacer and drill the oil return into that. Iwill have to find out the specifics.

A/C line will have already been installed by the time the car gets to the shop. So tell Roger to charge me for the install without the A/C line exchange and recharge.

We'll the intercooler isn't a funtion of money... ie the more you spend on it the better it works. I guess it's size is a result of it being much more efficient than that vertical flow crap APS uses. Hence the smaller size.

Is APS still in business? I heard they gave up making turbocharger kits, and went into vaccum and household appliance sales.

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Gotcha, I will let Roger C know that your a/c will be done prior to it going to the shop when he comes up with a price.

And APS makes one hell of a vaccum cleaner so watch out.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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I'll say one thing on this subject. You get what you pay for. The last person I recomended to Japtrix went some place else for a TT install and saved some money not much. The shop blew the engine on the dyno after install. Jet don't get all upset they did a great job on my install and many others that I recomended to this shop. It could be worse you could be in Cal and then you would find out about being a** raped on installs. They are not that far off on price.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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We'll if you get what you pay for then I might as well go to the Nissan dealer. Their labor rate is $110 per hour here vs. Japtrix $80. So they must do a 22% better job that Japtrix? $1500 vs. $1000? 33% more than the norm? Yeah..... they are far off. In their own admittance they were referencing the install time of their APS twin turbo kit. Uhhhh..... my TN kit has no return fuel system. Uhhhh .....my TN kit uses stock headers. Headers alone cost $300 minimum for install.

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by neffster
Not as many as you might think...

Also, what's the official deal with Sharif and CP Racing? I always refer people to CP Racing because they did a great job on my install and I've seen Sharif working/tuning cars there that run e-manage... Does he work for CP Racing?

Yeah we work a lot with Shariff while he does not work here and our businesses are seperate, we do a lot of work together. If you need any pricing on Turbonectis install give us a call.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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neffster, basically, we use CP Racing's facilities to do installs, tuning, and light fab work.

JET, we would be more than happy for you to come up to Charlotte to get your Turbonetics kit installed.

That comment from Japtrix was a little harsh when you are paying them to do a job that has many other great installers in the southeast that can do the same job, if not better, without the negativity, wouldn't you agree?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 35ounces
Just to be clear: TNetics says 10-12 which means 15 isnt that crazy. I don't ever remember seeing a 7-10 hour estimate????

The shop is estimating the time based on the other kits. They are all much more involved. I'm sure your price will be lower after they know the deal. Did you share the install instructions with them?
On the Turbonetics website it says 8-11 I believe!
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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As per the Turbonets website: Estimated Install Time: 8-10 hours. So the install price @ $80 per hour is $640 - $800. Even if it took 12 hours thats $960.

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by neffster
Not as many as you might think...

Also, what's the official deal with Sharif and CP Racing? I always refer people to CP Racing because they did a great job on my install and I've seen Sharif working/tuning cars there that run e-manage... Does he work for CP Racing?
Well I consider anything over 5 shops as having alot... Cause that is how many we have here with good reputations...

Honestly I would love to visit Titan Motorsports and Cybernation if I lived in Florida
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Peking
Well I consider anything over 5 shops as having alot... Cause that is how many we have here with good reputations...

Honestly I would love to visit Titan Motorsports and Cybernation if I lived in Florida
Cybernation Motorsports is just awesome. Top notch kits.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
We'll if you get what you pay for then I might as well go to the Nissan dealer. Their labor rate is $110 per hour here vs. Japtrix $80. So they must do a 22% better job that Japtrix? $1500 vs. $1000? 33% more than the norm? Yeah..... they are far off. In their own admittance they were referencing the install time of their APS twin turbo kit. Uhhhh..... my TN kit has no return fuel system. Uhhhh .....my TN kit uses stock headers. Headers alone cost $300 minimum for install.

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I had a quote from a nissan dealer to install my TT kit before them for $3000 without gauges and tunning. I guess I should have come here and let everyone know. My point is MFG install time is an approxmation some people take longer some shorter. We'll see what happens when they finish the other kit first. You shouldn't go and slam a shop when you don't know there work. I know about the Tn kit and what's needed for the install thanks for the lesson. And as far as a nissan dealer is concerned if you think they are better than go with it. I've been on this forum for a long time and have seen some very intresting prices on installs. The one thing I can tell you is they don't quote and then raise the price later unless the person adds to the list. They also stand by there work. There aren't to many shops that do.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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That's why in this industry shops go by book time.... some take longer some take shorter. But how long they take is of no interest to me. Essentially that estimated instal time by TN is as good as by the book pricing.

I didn't slam any shop. 35 messages, and your the first to accuse me of slamming.You own stock in the comany or something?

You should add this as one more interesting price thread in your history of browsing the forums.

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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No I don't own stock in the company or have anything to do with them other than being a satisfied customer. I just felt you were a little bit hard on them. I understand your initial conversation with them and don't blame you for your response. If you knew them as I do now since I started using them to modify my Z you would understand where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to start a war with you. See what happens if you use them for your install you will understand what I mean about the shop.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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I drove by cybernation a few days ago, looks like they shut down? or else they sold there whole parking lot to a car dealership....
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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I'd walk away from Japtrix. If you are going to invest in that much $$, then at least they could treat a potential customer with respect.
I live in CLT and have met Sharif at ForgedInternals...he knows his stuff and well respected in the Z and FI worlds...besides CLT would only be 6 or so hrs from FL and of course you can easily J\S back home.

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Wow this got a little intense, the install price is not just about the hours spent but also about the quality of the job, there are many satified Japtrix customers, Roger C goes over and above the call of duty to make sure things are done right trying to ensure the customer has a problem free experience that cannot be said of all of the shops and doesn't just slap the kits on trying to meet the "book time".

If all people want is the lowest price then they we can't help that. Will the price come down from 1500? maybe maybe not. Based on statements here I don't think they will be able to satisfy your requirement JETPILOT of coming down to under 1K I am sure there are plenty of shops around that will take your money for the install and you will be happier.
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