The flash problem is not a TN only problem. There are a bunch of guys with Vortech's that have tried a flash instead of the SS box . All running from 8 to 10psi . All reporting that they go lean up top .I believe most are running the Walbro pump and larger injectors .

 

It takes about $200 or less to ship a motor

 

We shipped a small block from South Florida to Texas for 85 bucks

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would have to agree that the problem must be found first before installing the new motor. there is always a motor or two on e-bay, so i dont think that is gonna be the problem.

 

MAybe one should just over look the fact that this car had a problem before it even left the shop. The shop was asked to check things and did not. NO SHOP should EVER let a customer's car leave unless its running 100%. They did and this guys motor is toast because of it. I can't diagnose problems from 1000 miles away very easily but common sense tells you if the customers car doesn't run right you shouldn't give it back to him and have him boost around like that.

 

And here comes the manufacture to point blame at the shop/installers, like I said.. I like the fact that you can not diagnose the problem from 1000 miles away, but your sure it was the shops fault, and not the reflash's fault..This is typical finger pointing that goes on, that we deal with on a daily basis as installers, and when someone representing the company on 10 different automotive forums, immidiately points the finger at the installer, it discourages shops from selling and installing your product..I think you need to rethink your comments and choice of post on this thread, as a representative of Turbonetics.

 

I totally agree, the shop should have said dont drive your car it isnt safe. Thats one horrible shop if you ask me.

 

They might have..But alot of customers dont listen to the installers advice all the time. We only know one side of this story at this point.Im trying to play devil's advocate and look at this from all points of view.

 

Rethink what? That they gave a customer his car back despite the fact the KNEW he has a problem with it. Lets assume for a minute the reflash WAS the problem. Would YOU give the customer his car back like that? Is it Turbonetics fault the shop decided to do so? To my knowledge they never asked to have the ECU reflashed again to verify there was not an issue. Suggestions were made to them on how to troubleshoot this but as far as I know none of them were carried out. SO now it Turbonetics fault the shop

(a)had an issue
(b) gave the customer back the car with that issue
(c)possibly did not attempt to troubleshoot the issue

Explain that to me.

 

If you read my posts, I never blamed Turbonetics OR the shop, however I do think it was a tunning related issue and not a mechanical problem with the motor or an install issue, as much as a defective part or program..I do agree his car should never have been driven that way, but to assume based only on his comments, that his shop was that bad that they allowed him to drive the car and never told him verbaly there was an issue and not to drive it, is not fair..
You seem swift to point the finger at the shop, where as myself being a shop I am looking at it from all possible angles. I just can not stand how manufactures blame install shops,tuners,owners,ect for every thing that goes wrong and swiftly step back into the shadows when something goes bad.. People need to understand what they are doing and the possible adverse effects and I do not think manufacturers as well as tuner shops take the time to explain things to their customers.
Its all good when a turbo or supercharger kit is marketed as being safe and complete, but when that kit or part of it malfunctions, the marketing swings toward pointing fingers at the very people who sell and support their products..This is what pisses me off..
You were reluctant to diagnose what may have caused the problem from 1000 miles away, but you didnt waste any time in blaming it as an install related issue and incompitant shop.This IMO just looks bad on your end, for your product as a whole..It says 2 things..
1) you dont care much for your customer base and pass the buck when things arent peachy..
2) the shops that sell and install your product do not have a clue what they are doing and this reflects adversely on your company and the way it selects its dealers and installers..
So based on how I see it, its a no win situation for anyone involved..
The shop blames the product, the manufacturer blames the shop, the customer blames everyone...We all read it on the internet, with 1/3 rd of the facts presented to it, and are forced to draw our own conclusions..In the end, everyone suffers.

 

Um WTH do you know. I talked to this guy via AIM and even his shop via phone and gave them things to check. Whether they were checked or not is still in question since he STILL hasn't told me if they did ANYTHING I suggessted. From the sounds of what initially described to me via phone it sounded like a boost leak or his MAF was going out. But I never got confirmation that they tried anything. I DO know they gave him his car back like that. THAT was not the correct action to take. SO do I blame his shop, yes. They should not have released the car until it was running right.

 

I agree why is this put on the shop, with a kit like this there is not much for the shop to do or check, it is the shops assumption that the car/engine is in good operating condition and that there is nothing wrong with the kit. You can tell the customer not to drive the car or warn him if the shop suspects something but it is their decision plus how far does the shop take it and who is going to pay, the customer already bought an inexpensive kit and wanted an inexpensive install.

Basically it all boils down to an educated consumer realizing he is entering a game that sometimes has bad turns and chosing a shop they trust to try and minimize them.

 

My point of this is that if the shop KNOWINGLY gives a car back to a customer that is not safe to drive (any boosted car that goes into limp mode is not safe IMHO) it is their responsiblity if that car breaks. Again suggestions were given on things to check. I still don't know if they were done or not.

 

I agree, from experience and seeing what has happend to friends... If there was a problem, the shop would tell the customer they prefer to figure out what the issue is then let the customer deside after that what they want to do.

 

see, the problem with this whole situation is that it seems that neither the shop nor the customer knew 100% what they are doing. so, perhaps the car was messed up before the install. Maybe it happened after, or maybe it was the tune that came with the kit. I dont think we will ever truly find the answer, but hope that when he puts the car back together it goes to a more reputable shop!

 

Okay what it comes down to is his block is gone so he needs a new one, build that motor and boost the crap out of it. Oh have fun as well. Whoevers fault it is, in the end we know there was a problem with the vehicle and proper precautions and measures werent taken for that vehicle to run properly. The End

Good luck by the way

 

wow i sense some tension.. lol.. Ok so yea before i picked up my car the shop told me that the nissan dealership told them that it was just the tensioner to my timing chain.. The only reason i picked up the car is because i was gonna try and get that issue fixed. I asked one of the installers at the shop was it ok to drive my car like that.. He said he didnt think it wud be a problem if i was just takin it to nissan.. 5miles away BAM hole in my block rea ****tE.

So im kinda passed the blame stage and just wanna get my Shiet fixed. So if anyone knows where i can get a new engine or a new block that wud be great. Of course this time im gonna build it before i put this one back in.. Below or some of the mods i am plannin. Unless u guys have some better ideas. I was also looking at some of the built short blocks that a couple companies sell.. Not sure which way im gonna go yet.

Pauter ROds
Arias Pistons
Apr Main/head studs
Cometic Head gasket

 

Try http://car-part.com/
They have several engines & blocks but they need more info than I know about ur car.

Sorry for you troubles and hope this build goes much much better!

 

thanks for that website.. Didnt find a block though.. they had just about everything else though.

 

if you are looking for a block, talk to jim @ turbotoys 813-695-6664


And if you want a built motor, we already discussed that via PM