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Old May 2, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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I was kind of surprised when I found out that different users wanted to monitor different things.

I thought for sure that everyone would at least want to run a boost and wideband air fuel gauge...but I've run into a few people now that are more interested in oil / water temp / pressure and even exhaust temp.

What gagues do you guys run?
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Autometer Nexus boost/vacuum
Autometer Nexus fuel pressure
AEM uego wide band air / fuel
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Old May 2, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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I run: Defi boost and fuel pressure<---needed with a fuel system, not so much with a stock system, and an Innovate Wideband...
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Old May 2, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lemans350zed
I was kind of surprised when I found out that different users wanted to monitor different things.
I thought for sure that everyone would at least want to run a boost and wideband air fuel gauge...but I've run into a few people now that are more interested in oil / water temp / pressure and even exhaust temp.
What gagues do you guys run?
I'm planning to run:
Autometer Nexus boost/vacuum
Autometer Nexus fuel pressure
AEM uego wide band air / fuel
If you did a search here in the Forced Induction section you would see most have...

Boost
Wideband A/F
EGT

Then usually...
Water Temp
Oil Temp
Fuel Pressure
So on, so on.

Though with the Greddy E-Manage Ultimate I can real time datalog and see just about all of what a gauge can show me, but easier to glance at the gauge then down at my laptop LOL. Also with the AAM Return Fuel Kit it has a fuel pressure gauge on the fuel pressure regulator, but that isn't going to do to much for you when you are driving elsewhere than on a dyno LOL.
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Old May 2, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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so most people think that an EGT gauge would be more beneficial than a fuel pressure gauge on say a Turbonetics ST full kit (comes with fuel system)
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Old May 2, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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egt gauge is essentially worthless for 90+% of people that use them.
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Old May 2, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk
egt gauge is essentially worthless for 90+% of people that use them.
Don't beat around the bush
Now why do you say that?
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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+1 on what Phunk says, most people dont honestly know what EGT temps mean, or what it would mean if say the EGT's were going up. Wideband imo is much better than EGT...
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Why is this Charles? The EGT gauge came highly recommended when I went F/I. Hell, I have asked what this means, but no one has given me any useful info that I can remember!!

On topic, I have the following:

Defi Boost
Defi EGT
2 Defi Temp for water and oil
AEM UEGO Wideband
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:42 PM
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nice...glad I started this thread...good info so far...I wonder if ppl with turbonetics, on average run different gauges than those with TT and/or full fuel systems
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
+1 on what Phunk says, most people dont honestly know what EGT temps mean, or what it would mean if say the EGT's were going up. Wideband imo is much better than EGT...
wtf you talking about wideband and EGT measure completely different things. you cant tune A/F with EGT gauge. you need wideband to tune a/f
and you need the EGT to tune ingition..
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lemans350zed
so most people think that an EGT gauge would be more beneficial than a fuel pressure gauge on say a Turbonetics ST full kit (comes with fuel system)
Seems so, though that is because I would get a fuel return kit that has a fuel pressure gauge for when tuning is going on.


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egt gauge is essentially worthless for 90+% of people that use them.
I use it like my other gauges, to monitor.

If EGT goes above what I consider normal, basically 100-200 degrees above the usual hwy temps same with my round town temps... Then I know something is really wrong along with seeing my A/F and boost.

From years past, many have talked about EGT and needing to keep a eye on it.

So to me it is personal preference on what you want or going to do.

I am by far no expert, or have years of experience of modding cars and what not.

But eh needed a third gauge for the pod, don't care for something like oil temps or water temps... Considering I don't drive extreme enough to heat the oil incredibly for me to worry, or water temps when I know if she runs hot I will see it on the regular gauge.

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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:57 PM
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EGT is worthless for 90% of people that use them because the users do not understand why they are using it. You cannot compare one's EGTs to your EGTs due to the fact that just about anything can cause EGT varience.

What exactly do you think you are looking for? Do you know what kinds of EGTs are what your looking for ? Do you understand all the different things that can make a difference in EGTs? What are going to do about it if your EGTs arent where someone else said they should be? Is the information your comparing your EGTs to even comparable or accurate?

All you will find around here is uneducated guesses on what your EGTs should be that do not even specify what sensor is used, how far from which exhaust port it is located, or if they are even talking about C or F temps.

Not to mention, staring at an EGT gauge with a needle is not going to give useful data.

I might also feel differently if the EGT probe was used specifically for datalogging and later review and ESPECIALLY if there was individual cylinder logging... But to have a needle swimming around that your trying to stare at under full throttle with no idea true idea of what your looking for or if your even reading the needle correctly +/- 25 degrees, whats the point?

Individual cylinder EGTs can give you ALL KINDS of useful information. A single cylinder EGT gauge IMHO isnt ever going to effect anything you do with the car. You might look at it just to make sure that your somewhere within 100 degrees of everyone else, but after that you are wasting your time looking at it.

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yeah EGT hasn't been super useful to me either, but it's one of the few things that gives me a clue what the engine is doing as far as the temps it's currently dishing out - though still not so useful cause if you want high EGT's just step on the gas. If you want low EGT's, stay off the gas - not really useful, but it's more of an immediate/in-the-moment temp that you can use as a reference point relative to what temps the car normally puts out. So far though, I have a pretty good idea what EGT's would be really bad on my particular car with where my sensor is. That might at least tell me I need to cool the car down - though I'm sure my oil temp would be the first thing to alert me of that


I swear the stock coolant gauge is worthless - it never moves and doesn't have enough hash marks and no temps written down to make a difference anyway. From what I can tell, my coolant temp NEVER moves once the engine is warm - and maybe that's exactly what's going on, but it could move up a few mm and I'm not sure I can say I'd really be able to tell or not with how blank the face is

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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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EGT is like putting a cheap AF gauge in (like one that you wire into the stock o2 sensor)..its just to cover a hole.....you really only need a boost gauge and a wideband. most boost controllers can monitor boost, so you really just need a good wideband.
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by phunk
EGT is worthless for 90% of people that use them because the users do not understand why they are using it. You cannot compare one's EGTs to your EGTs due to the fact that just about anything can cause EGT varience.

What exactly do you think you are looking for? Do you know what kinds of EGTs are what your looking for ? Do you understand all the different things that can make a difference in EGTs? What are going to do about it if your EGTs arent where someone else said they should be? Is the information your comparing your EGTs to even comparable or accurate?

All you will find around here is uneducated guesses on what your EGTs should be that do not even specify what sensor is used, how far from which exhaust port it is located, or if they are even talking about C or F temps.

Not to mention, staring at an EGT gauge with a needle is not going to give useful data.

I might also feel differently if the EGT probe was used specifically for datalogging and later review and ESPECIALLY if there was individual cylinder logging... But to have a needle swimming around that your trying to stare at under full throttle with no idea true idea of what your looking for or if your even reading the needle correctly +/- 25 degrees, whats the point?

Individual cylinder EGTs can give you ALL KINDS of useful information. A single cylinder EGT gauge IMHO isnt ever going to effect anything you do with the car. You might look at it just to make sure that your somewhere within 100 degrees of everyone else, but after that you are wasting your time looking at it.

Yeah MIAPLAYA sorta covered that some time back, I do believe that took place in the last large gauge choices thread. And also what you said was touched up on elsewhere in other relating threads stated by others once again in relating gauge threads.

And from what I learned my EGT's are pretty spot on with MIA, so I do use mine as a gauge...

But yeah I understand what you are saying, and now hopefully when someone does a search they will read your post about it.

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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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i'm glad we have peking telling us..more than once..that we should have searched..

fyi, I did do a search on gagues, "gauge preference" , "popular gauges", and others and just found too many threads to filter through...does it really matter that there is another thread to get questions answered?
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Originally Posted by lemans350zed
i'm glad we have peking telling us..more than once..that we should have searched..
fyi, I did do a search on gagues, "gauge preference" , "popular gauges", and others and just found too many threads to filter through...does it really matter that there is another thread to get questions answered?
No one said that was going to be easy, esp... When people keep making the same threads or similiar threads which just push the older threads on the same topics down...

Along with useful information which may have answered the question thought of.

But reading isn't going to kill you or anyone else. Could learn something you might not have been originally looking for
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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I guess if you would have posted a link to the other thread...I would have followed it and probably found my answer
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Originally Posted by lemans350zed
I guess if you would have posted a link to the other thread...I would have followed it and probably found my answer
Well it wasn't my thread, I did post in it...

Maybe you would like us to pick up your dry cleaning, and wash you car

Should we shop for your goods to and prepare your meals?

You know since you are saying I should have posted the link, doing the leg work.

Might as well do other stuff for you too.

It gets me when folks get their panties up in a bunch when folks tell them to search. Big deal, take it or leave it.

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Old May 2, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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lol,

anyway...back on topic...
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