Built block without spending a million bucks?
Originally Posted by SpeedDesign
Jeff Does motor building as well.
He did my Honda motor ... he's done NSX motors, etc.
To be honest, it's not that I don't trust Sharif, I actually have the utmost respect for him and what he's done to help the Z/G community. But shipping a motor, etc is gonna kill me. Jeff offers great rates on construction and I have a good trust and rapport built with him. And ultimately, he's closer.
When it comes to buying the parts. Sharif will likely be my first call.
He did my Honda motor ... he's done NSX motors, etc.
To be honest, it's not that I don't trust Sharif, I actually have the utmost respect for him and what he's done to help the Z/G community. But shipping a motor, etc is gonna kill me. Jeff offers great rates on construction and I have a good trust and rapport built with him. And ultimately, he's closer.
When it comes to buying the parts. Sharif will likely be my first call.
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Originally Posted by Gumpdriver
Shipping the motor will cost you about $180 round trip. My thing is i am not questioning his building skills but a VQ but he has never tackled one before. I say get your guy to price everything you want then go from there? But good luck.
I have heard of Evan's tuning, and I have heard he is a very good tuner. Go with whichever person you feel most comfortable building and tuning your VQ35. As mentioned, shipping a block will be the least of your costs...heck...I will even pay for half of it for you....about $110 each way for just a short block.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
I have heard of Evan's tuning, and I have heard he is a very good tuner. Go with whichever person you feel most comfortable building and tuning your VQ35. As mentioned, shipping a block will be the least of your costs...heck...I will even pay for half of it for you....about $110 each way for just a short block.
Since he's the one doing the tuning, I'd like him to build the block. I like the idea of the tuner doing the build because they then have an intimate knowledge of whats in the motor and what they built it for, (tolerances, clearances, etc). I'd love for you to do it man, but that'd require me to travel with my car to GA, and I simply won't have the time or money to make that trip (more the time than the money).
When it comes time to order the components, I'll be giving you a call tho sir.
Thanks
Jeff Evans and Sharif are both excellent tuners and are two of the latest HKS Pro Tuners/Dealers - You're going to have a bad **** car with either one of these guys working on your car...
In regards to the cylinder head lift question/issue...
we use L19 head studs on motors that plan to run sub 500rwhp numbers...
anything above that, we machine the block and install timeserts, steel inserts, and run ARP 1/2" headstuds, these are torqued down to 100ft lbs (and our blocks with timeserts have been tested up to 185ft lbs--I couldn't turn the wrench any further- but we performed this test just to make sure nothing "gave" at these stress levels)
timesert (cross section)
comparison: 1/2" on the left, just the little guys on the right
1/2" head studs installed on the left... toothpics on the right...
coupled with a set of hks headgaskets, I am willing to bet one can run over 700rwhp, reliably without sleeving, providing there is enough clamping force on the heads (provided by the 1/2" head studs)
One of our customers, Colin, just got his builtZmotor back in his car(he went with Arias ED pistons, GTM rods, 1/2" head studs, and HKS headgaskets, and rebuilt stock heads), I'll be curious as to how far he pushes the envelope....
There are parts that one can omit when going for particular power numbers, such as upgraded cams, valves, etc... certain other parts should not be overlooked, to ensure a durable, long lasting built motor
-TODD
we use L19 head studs on motors that plan to run sub 500rwhp numbers...
anything above that, we machine the block and install timeserts, steel inserts, and run ARP 1/2" headstuds, these are torqued down to 100ft lbs (and our blocks with timeserts have been tested up to 185ft lbs--I couldn't turn the wrench any further- but we performed this test just to make sure nothing "gave" at these stress levels)
timesert (cross section)
comparison: 1/2" on the left, just the little guys on the right
1/2" head studs installed on the left... toothpics on the right...
coupled with a set of hks headgaskets, I am willing to bet one can run over 700rwhp, reliably without sleeving, providing there is enough clamping force on the heads (provided by the 1/2" head studs)
One of our customers, Colin, just got his builtZmotor back in his car(he went with Arias ED pistons, GTM rods, 1/2" head studs, and HKS headgaskets, and rebuilt stock heads), I'll be curious as to how far he pushes the envelope....
There are parts that one can omit when going for particular power numbers, such as upgraded cams, valves, etc... certain other parts should not be overlooked, to ensure a durable, long lasting built motor
-TODD
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I think 90% of the melted pistons and blown head gaskets with the sub 600 rwhp guys are from bad tunes or something over looked during the motor build. There are so many details in these projects that if 1 where overlooked, its possible to have these types of failures. Going with a stronger piston or rod wont prevent a damaged motor with a bad tune. Using the best head gaskets wont prevent head lift if the heads and/or block were poorly decked or the studs improperly installed or improperly torqued.
When the PE TT kit first rolled out, ASAA racing in Houston made 525 rwhp on race gas with the stock long block.
When the PE TT kit first rolled out, ASAA racing in Houston made 525 rwhp on race gas with the stock long block.
I found a built block that seems to be pretty reasonably priced and ready to go for $3995.00 Here is the link. Scroll to the bottom belw the TN and greddy turbo kits also sold.
http://www.turbo-kits.com/350Z_turbo_kits.html
Do you think this would be a good way to go?
http://www.turbo-kits.com/350Z_turbo_kits.html
Do you think this would be a good way to go?
WoW! Even better! Thanks
Only problem, if you have a blown block with rods sticking out the side your screwed on the core charge.
Only problem, if you have a blown block with rods sticking out the side your screwed on the core charge.
Last edited by 2fast4thelaw; Sep 22, 2006 at 09:15 AM.
Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw
I found a built block that seems to be pretty reasonably priced and ready to go for $3995.00 Here is the link. Scroll to the bottom belw the TN and greddy turbo kits also sold.
http://www.turbo-kits.com/350Z_turbo_kits.html
Do you think this would be a good way to go?
http://www.turbo-kits.com/350Z_turbo_kits.html
Do you think this would be a good way to go?
http://www.forgedinternals.com/store...cat=277&page=1
Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw
One big problem, Sharif is on the East Coast otherwise he would be my first option.
Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw
One big problem, Sharif is on the East Coast otherwise he would be my first option.
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I can certainly vouch for Sharif's international shipping service. I live in the UK, and he has sent allsorts of stuff over here for my engine build, exhausts, you name it. All got here with good speed and a great price. Another very happy customer.
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Hey Speed..you are asking some great questions.
A typical engine build with parts and all the labor is going to run about $7000. IMHO, it would be a bad idea to save a couple hundred bucks by using a lesser piston design. It's a small price to pay for an unbreakable piston. You can save about $600 by using Eagle rods, and those fine for your power levels. But Arias ED pistons are 100% proven, and we've supplied about 80 sets of them, and not one person has reported breaking them. We even have a few amateur tuners that are tuning their built motors with Arias ED pistons...and even those folks havent broken them. I think that speaks volumes.
If you need any help, dont hesitate to ask. We can do a forged shortblock with Eagle rods and Arias ED pistons for about $3300. Definately use the ARP L19 head studs, and an HKS head gasket. Although we havent had issues with the Cometic/Cosworth gaskets, the HKS gasket is a superior design.
A typical engine build with parts and all the labor is going to run about $7000. IMHO, it would be a bad idea to save a couple hundred bucks by using a lesser piston design. It's a small price to pay for an unbreakable piston. You can save about $600 by using Eagle rods, and those fine for your power levels. But Arias ED pistons are 100% proven, and we've supplied about 80 sets of them, and not one person has reported breaking them. We even have a few amateur tuners that are tuning their built motors with Arias ED pistons...and even those folks havent broken them. I think that speaks volumes.
If you need any help, dont hesitate to ask. We can do a forged shortblock with Eagle rods and Arias ED pistons for about $3300. Definately use the ARP L19 head studs, and an HKS head gasket. Although we havent had issues with the Cometic/Cosworth gaskets, the HKS gasket is a superior design.