exhaust for 500hp+ folks
10-25-2006, 09:37 PM
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How could the HKS be too small? It has 60mm (2.36") piping which is only .14" smaller than the APS 2.5" dual exhaust. Unless somebody proves otherwise, I would assume the HKS can flow between 500-550whp.
10-25-2006, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Single or twin turbo?
JET
JET
TT.. then again.. I've heard somebody running around 500whp with a supercharger.
Originally Posted by Nismo350ZRT
How could the HKS be too small? It has 60mm (2.36") piping which is only .14" smaller than the APS 2.5" dual exhaust. Unless somebody proves otherwise, I would assume the HKS can flow between 500-550whp.
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10-25-2006, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannysage
I don't think you can produce that much power with a single
I think this stigma is going to be changing very soon, however.
10-25-2006, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I think this stigma is going to be changing very soon, however.
10-25-2006, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
With the twin turbo offerings we have, I doubt that very much. Can 500+ be done on a single? Definitely. That said, I doubt very much we will see more than a handful of legitimate 500+ singles
Anyway, I don't want to argue here. Im just saying that there will be more opitons in the near future.
Cant wait to see the powerband on these high hp singles...
10-26-2006, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by thawk408
Do you think the borla true dual would be any good at 500? thats what i have now and was thinking about just seeing how it does when i build the motor.
maybe.. injen SES manages to get up to 450 on a APS twin..... so with cams youll get to 500s
Originally Posted by Zivman
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You won't be running singles to 500+. 500 will most likely be the limit most will attempt on singles
You won't be running singles to 500+. 500 will most likely be the limit most will attempt on singles
the current limitation of 500 whp on teh Z is not related to the exhaust but in the turbo kits(piping, wastegate etc) set up i'm sure.that will change with stage2 on the tn kit for example.....some other custom single turbos out there have ran in the 550 range already on the z
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10-26-2006, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannysage
I don't think you can produce that much power with a single
TT.. then again.. I've heard somebody running around 500whp with a supercharger.
TT.. then again.. I've heard somebody running around 500whp with a supercharger.
10-26-2006, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
that is BS, supras can easily(but not cheaply) get over 600whp with their turbos and runnign single exhausts....
the current limitation of 500 whp on teh Z is not related to the exhaust but in the turbo kits(piping, wastegate etc) set up i'm sure.that will change with stage2 on the tn kit for example.....some other custom single turbos out there have ran in the 550 range already on the z
Compare the V6 in the Z to the inline 6 of the supra and tell me our singles are comparble??????
I said it can be done, but the vast majority will be using twin setups on the Z to run bigger power (500+)
10-26-2006, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Ummmm.........OK????
Compare the V6 in the Z to the inline 6 of the supra and tell me our singles are comparble??????
I said it can be done, but the vast majority will be using twin setups on the Z to run bigger power (500+)
Compare the V6 in the Z to the inline 6 of the supra and tell me our singles are comparble??????
I said it can be done, but the vast majority will be using twin setups on the Z to run bigger power (500+)
10-26-2006, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
your comment was related to the single exhaust... which is what this thread is all about..
10-26-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
maybe.. injen SES manages to get up to 450 on a APS twin..... so with cams youll get to 500s
that is BS, supras can easily(but not cheaply) get over 600whp with their turbos and runnign single exhausts....
the current limitation of 500 whp on teh Z is not related to the exhaust but in the turbo kits(piping, wastegate etc) set up i'm sure.that will change with stage2 on the tn kit for example.....some other custom single turbos out there have ran in the 550 range already on the z
that is BS, supras can easily(but not cheaply) get over 600whp with their turbos and runnign single exhausts....
the current limitation of 500 whp on teh Z is not related to the exhaust but in the turbo kits(piping, wastegate etc) set up i'm sure.that will change with stage2 on the tn kit for example.....some other custom single turbos out there have ran in the 550 range already on the z
Risking to face the wrath of taurran, I will still be a troll and try to give a bit of my own input on this.
Supra is a horrible example in here. Ideal exhaust is a straight through with minimal bends (for turbos at least, they seem to like zero backpressure). Our cars have vees (no ****). So far most of 500+whp VQ's were running TT setups (don't know how will it be in future, so TN camp, stuff it). So, dual banks, dual turbos, dual exhausts.
Supras are completey different. Single bank, single turbo, single pipe. Ideal 500whp ST Z exhaust would be a sinlgle huge pipe as well.
The thing that I want to point out to quicksilver, is that the modifications are not purely function driven.
The "traditional" Supra rear end incorporates a huge titanium tipped canister cocked to the side, while Z/G's are "expected" to have dual tips.Another good example, the TD system for the 2004 GTO includes 2 pipes that exit at same point next to each other, so it may look like a signle. The ## of exhaust tips does not mean anything about what's underneath the car.
At least I think so...
10-26-2006, 10:27 AM
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APS 3" sounds great man! and it will support your power too..its really nice and rasby, sounds great when u get on it. Especially if half way through your rpm range you here your tubros spool and kick in..On a built motor..insane..
10-26-2006, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Ummmm.........OK????
Compare the V6 in the Z to the inline 6 of the supra and tell me our singles are comparble??????
I said it can be done, but the vast majority will be using twin setups on the Z to run bigger power (500+)
Compare the V6 in the Z to the inline 6 of the supra and tell me our singles are comparble??????
I said it can be done, but the vast majority will be using twin setups on the Z to run bigger power (500+)
But, whether its a I or V motor doesn't mean that a single large turbo can't be effective in both cases. As Quicksilver said, its not the turbo configuration that's the limiting factor here, its the components of the kits that are currently on the market.
Not bothering responding to Oleg here, he basically took a paragraph to explain what you put in one sentence...
10-26-2006, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Not bothering responding to Oleg here, he basically took a paragraph to explain what you put in one sentence...
If you read the full "paragraph", you'd see that what I was driving at, is that when it comes to exhausts, the form is NOT set by function, at least not purely.
P.S. You ARE bothering to respond. It's rather amusing, you seem to be so bothered by my posts, yet you can't put me on your ignore list. But I understand, I love you too, my cantankerous darling...
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10-28-2006, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
the greddy evo tt is a little less expensive solution to any exhaust problems as well. 2.75 inch true duals, plus there are plenty of nice $$ 3 inch exhausts out there...
3" now thats what u call a well done job, cause his intentions is 600 whp as he mentioned later on and its not poss. without 3"....
10-28-2006, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannysage
so I can keep my hks with a, let's say, a 600whp+ setup?