disregard my pm lol you answered it right after i send it

 

The turbonetics kit is designed to run on everything stock. No upgrades to the exhaust or plenum. For some people thats possible but for most guys like myself I wanted more power but actually I lost power by installing exhaust and spacer and i also increased the chance of overboost.

If your leaning towards the turbonetics kit I would recommend to install it and drive it as is with the TN reflash. If you want a little more power. Install a few mods and retune it with something else. Miaplaya and Taurran and others are still using the TN reflash and having good luck so far but of course every motor is different.

I dont think people are selling the kit for more power unless they got money to build the block because we all know that a TT kit is worthless on the stock block since they are very capable of big #'s unlike the TN kit. Am I right on this one?

 

Yeah thats it. They're so lazy that they released an entirely new turbo line, 5 new turbo kits, a whole new line up of diesel upgrades, several new intercooler applications, a brand new wastegate, and new way to measure turbocharger shaft speed, and several other things in the last 9 months. Apparentely you didn't get the memo, so let me fill you in. The 350Z ISN'T the only car on the planet and Turbonetics doesn't only develop product for one model. How many updates or changes have Greddy, PE, Vortech, ATI, or any of the other big manufactureres released for the Z in the US? In fact where is the touted HKS stuff that is supposed to have been released by now? R&D DOES take time as it was jokingly put. That R&D isn't just being done on the Stage 2 kit. They are also doing R&D on 6 other applications right now.

 

If I were to run a TN kit, could I keep my 3"TD(I know about dicking with a Y-pipe and all) and the plenum spacer with a UTEC as my EMS? I was planning on adding an AAM Fuel Return, AAM Oil Pan Spacer, and possibly some GTM Turbo spec cams as well.

 

ok sorry for not being specific..i was refering to the TT kits that are good out the box, aps tt, jwt .. the greddy is more of a tunner kit version
And well its good you can install it yourself but not all can, and a lot prefer to have a profesional install so if anything happens they can go back to the shop for recomendations service, work out install bugs.

 

good choice.
I run pretty much the same but a JIC exhaust. I got tomei cams but those will be on on the engine build

 

Well... I don't think a company like TN has no other projects in hand. They might just be working on other products that takes priority before the stage 1&2 for the Z. If you've worked on any engineering environment, you'd understand this concept.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

 

Then why not just not say anything until they are ready?? What do they really have to change?? Unless they plan on mounting the turbo on the left side I see nothing really... Add a different WG, a different BOV bigger injectors and a better "reflash"??

And I don't think ATI, PE, Greddy, and vortech have to upgrade anything. Because The s/c the owners know they wont reach 500 -600 whp. The greddy kit is used as a tuner kit. They do have bigger turbos. The PE kit has bigger turbos. So I think your statment was a little off. Mi I am not bashing anything you said you do. I thank you for bringing new options to the fi world with the TN kit. Weren't you one of if not the first TN car??

Back to op. I have notice a lot also. I am looking at the same HP you are. I am leaning towards a S/c setup but then again I don't know.

 

The question was being raised quite frequently if Turbonetics was going to produce a kit designed for higher power levels out of box. After the 1,000th PM i posted the information Turbonetics gave me about designing a Stage 2 kit. As for the time to develop it, its not as simple as you would think. First they had a motor built, after the motor was built they broke it in. Then they started the hunt for which engine management they were going to use. They road tested 6 different options. Each one required setup, tuning, dyno time, and a bit of road testing. Without doing real world road testing on each management system with their kit there was no way they were going to be able to say for certain which management they felt worked the best. Once they chose the system they wanted it took some more time to explore the requirements of using it as a mass ditribution set up. Decisions had to be made as to how they would run the Stage 2 kit. Cams, no cams, compression of the motor, drivetrain parts recommended, etc. Then they had to choose an injector size and fuel system design. This required them to determine exactly what power level they would target. Once that was determined work had to begin to determine what components were needed for the new power level. Downpipe size, charge pipe size, intercooler size, wastegate size, turbo size. What fits, what would be easy to install, etc. After all that the fab work began. The list goes on and on. The bottom line is its not as easy as switching turbos and adding larger injectors. They have no plans that I'm aware of to use an ECU reflash for the Stage 2 kit. In fact their plans are the complete opposite of that. They also took them time to develop their own fuel return system that they could test time and time again worked with their future setup. Add to all this that the last word I heard was they were going to use the GT-K turbo as the Stage 2 turbocharger. That required 100% completion of the GT-K units which was finished late last year. They were going to most likely need a larger wastegate and the work began on designing a revised version of the Racegate (although they may not use this). All of these factors have come into play. In the end nobody wants the Stage 2 kit done more then the General Manger of Turbonetics as his car is the test car and he hasn't driven it for quite some time now. I can say that it appears the engine management system they are going to use is locked. The tuning work has already be done on that system with the Stage 1 kit to push the limits of that turbo and determine anything that needed to change for Stage 2. The new setup fabwork has also began/is finished. I'll be up at Turbonetics again next week and check on the progress then. Until then I'm just as anxious as you are to get this out the door. After all my car has been on the Stage 1 system for years now and its time for some more power. I was the second ever Turbonetics equipped car. The first was their company owned 03 Z test car.

 

I'm just wondering if I should purchase Injectors and a Fuel system or if I should wait because I have a UTEC already and a built motor( with Cam's). The last thing I want to do now is buy a lot of items to upgrade then find out that stage II comes with them.

I admit I am a little impatient but it's only because I have the ability to produce some decent power at this point and I have not idea if I should wait or just go ahead and buy new components.

Now if we get the offical word saying that a Tuner version with just the Turbo and required piping if any and a wastegate will be available I can go and buy my fuel upgrades and get my 450WHP for now and wait.

I just really hope to hear something by the end of March. I can hold out untill then.

 

Yeah, I've noticed a flurry of people selling their TN kits in the Marketplace lately too.

Similar to other sites, I think once you see what someone else is able to get for Item X, you start thinking "hmmm, with that money I could do this instead". Modding is addictive so only being out $1-2k or so to start fresh, isn't so bad. Plus they got to use the kit for x miles so it's not a total loss.

 

*snaps finger* oh no you didn't

 

still debatable......
i can see lets say 4-5 active threads of people selling TN kit... but if they sold 100 kits in the year that is VERY GOOD.
Now your comparison of "what someone" can see with itemX woudl only work if you the person is looking at building his engine(which we all know is a small pecentage of people) and can see that currently the TTsetup is proven to get to high HP levels.

 

Or maybe they just want to go back to stock prior to selling the car.

 

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yah that too

 

I'm selling my TN kit because I decided to want more power. My built block is alsmot done and am looking for a TT setup. I was waiting for the stage 2 but just don't know when it will be available.

 

couple ex-TN owners are now Greddy TT Owners

 

That was part of my thought process, too.