the problem to me with Stillen is their sales/support staff and the crap they give you. Stillen products run the gambit from high quality to what were they thinking. But Stillens reputation has been mostly tarnished by the way they handle customers... Read this and make your own decision: http://stillensucks.com/stillensuckshomepage.htm

 

I've always said I think the stock vortech kit is weak. It has too little boost too late. But when you start upgrading it and go crazy with breathing/exhaust mods to get everything you can get out it, the vortech doesn't do all that bad. It's not the ultimate solution or anything. I don't drive my car below 2000 rpms so I really don't care about power coming on that low in the powerband where the stillen might be a little stronger

Here's a stage 3 stillen (red) vs my vortech chart (blue).
I can't find a decent stage 4 dyno that isn't all small, blurry, or on some weird unknown dyno
Both were dynojets, but not the same dyno or location, so there's going to be some amount of differences to account for

IMO the stillen should do really well with water/meth injection, but I haven't heard of anyone really going out and trying it

 

and look what TT has gotten you, a blown tranny and having to have your block built.

 

turbos do blow lots of engines, but Alberto most likely blew his from racing it as hard as he was, especially going beyond redline under boost as much as he was. He also ran his car hard when he was NA.

Racing can blow just about anything

 

tr00f!!! Alberto is murder on cars as evidenced by his track videos...

 

You are wrong in your postings and assumptions---ST and a raised rev limit got me a blown motor. Me wanting real power and reliability = block + TT.

You Stillen guys all preach you want safety-its simple dont go FI. If you cant build a motor or replace it, stick to bolt ons. Your better off learning how to drive with bolt-ons than 95% of Stillen owners who cant drive and run 13's. At the end of the day you own a S/C Z that is slow as crap. Enjoy the weaksauce power and eventually the damaged ring lands...Stillen = cheap FI, and cheap and FI dont go together.

+1 on MIA and Sentry, I could jump into an uber weaksauce Stage 1 Stillen and blow it up in 3 passes whats your point?

 

we used to call them "$tealin" on the maxima forums.

 

ok, well now this thread has turned into a chevy vs. ford owner loyalty type debate. I am out. To each their own, and if you run TT or Vortec with no problems then congrats. I just dont want to risk it.

 

I am running the Stillen kit and plan to have my water/meth injection setup before ZDAYZ, ill let you know how it goes. I talked to Cooling Mist and they are going to hook me up with one of their trunk mount kits with MAF controller. Should be interesting to test out at the Dragon with some other goodies I have installed

Alberto your such a hater I wanted a good all around car and thats what I have, over 75k stock block 0 problems from FI.

 

LOL Reptile, the Stillen kit has nothing Im envious of, hence I cant possibly be a hater. I dont like the fact that the SS box comes locked down as well. I also realize not everybody wants 400+whp, but to me if you want ultimate reliability stay NA. Id rather have NA + tune than a Stillen w/generic tune.

 

for the money, I'd rather have a used C6 vette than a Z with a stillen that will weigh 200+lbs more in the end and probably be more reliable


IMO pretty much all of the kits are good kits in the right hands of a good installer and tuner. I really have no problem with the stillen and think it does satisfy a unique FI market that the other kits don't satisfy

What I think is more important is how overall balanced the car is for what you're trying to do. Big power, and lame tires = no traction, so what's the point of the power then?

 

Its funny I see you in almost every Stillen thread always putting it down, thats a hater! You got me there in the future I plan to go UTEC or something similar for tuning but if your like most ppl who wont go past stage 4 this kit has everything you need right out of the box no need for tuning. I guess there are pros and cons to every kit. I like Turbo as well as SC I just thought this kit more suited my needs and made the car more fun to drive.

 

that right there is what it's all about.

If it was all about buying the car and setup to impress everyone on the internet with, then we've all already dissapointed millions by not buying everyone else's exact car and setup

I think everyone should be glad you're happy with what you bought.

 

The fact that it is weak in terms of power is one thing-you dont want to push the limits of the motor. On the flip side you guys all run locked down tunes (most of which are wayyy rich)-anybody getting down on a TN reflash should do the same for Stillen. So you want reliabilty but 95% of Stillen guys run locked down SS boxes, its ironic isnt it? That is all, I dont want to turn this into a "Stillen sucks thread"

 

I have a spare SS Box laying around which I plan to mess with, I was told that there is a serial port but its inside the box unlike the Vortech SS. One of my buddies works with these types of units and I will see what he can do with it.

 

A Greddy TT without intercooler and a UTEC will have mor power and be safer at the same time than Than a Stillen stage whatever with no tune.

JET

 

Proof?

 

I agree with this pretty much 99%.

The thing is that dynos from these guys are incredibly untrustworthy. If you had only seen the exhaust dynos thye put out for the G35 sedan exhaust.

Unfortunately, independent dynoing isthe only thing that can be trusted.

If anyone knows the exact model number of the blower used, i can construct a compressor flow diagram for our engines. This will answer once and for all how good the blower sizing is (provided i can find the flow charts online).

 

I'd guess maybe more power in the midrange and upper rpms, but not as much power below 3000 rpms which is what a lot of the stillen guys want

 

stillen can grab a spoon and eat my azz.. worst customer service ever.. I also wouldn't put there crappy blower on my beautiful z.