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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Navy give it up man. Stop drawing this out further than it needs to go.

Yes, but the longer it's drawn out, the more views. A good thing in my eyes.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stormcrow
i think it's *quite* obvious what was proven...
Well, I've posted up my tuning parameters and DJ dyno pulls... I'm not insinuating anything - I pretty much proved it. Is that not good enough for you either? It's not rocket science ya know, once you get over the fear and mysticism of tuning. And now I regret paying $375 for a tune that I was able to do better (10whp to 16whp better). But live & learn. That's why we're all here.

Would you like screen shots of my actual timing & fuel maps instead of my tuning spreadsheet? Would that be better proof for you of the tune I'm running? If you'd like, I can even post up the 'professional' tune I had done & you can see how much further I tweaked it...

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when asked to dyno your car, you promptly declined because, in truth, your tune wouldn't put down a single horse power more than the one previously done... any gains you may have made are due to better flowing exhaust...nothing more...
Here, let me help ya out a bit J... Re-dyno'ing on the original dyno is meaningless since it was almost three months ago. Things like humidity, barometric pressure, ambient temp, tie down pressure, tire pressure, engine temp, dyno usage/temp, etc all affect the tune and /or the dyno's numbers.

The only way to do a comparison on the same dyno the way you are suggesting is to do two pulls on the same day, same atmospheric conditions, same dyno, very close to the same time, with all the same dyno settings. Now that isn't really possible at this point, is it?

The different conditions account for enough variance to render a direct comparison on the same dyno useless. So with that being said, any dyno will work for our purposes, whether it's a DJ, or a different DD.

Look, I've offered to take my car to Balanced Performance's DD (Ie. Their Heart Breaker). If you'd like to be present during the pulls, I'll let you know when & where. If that's not good enough, then it sucks to be you.

Originally Posted by stormcrow
you've also *proven* that instead of being able to back up your claims, you cower behind post regurgitation and name calling... you call me a nuthugger for calling you on your lies?
I posted tangible verifiable repeatable proof of my claims, you posted proof of nothing except what a nut-hugging choir boy you are. I bet you even have a pair of well used knee pads in your closet. Lol!!

Tell ya what, Alberto called you out on your BS today... I dare you to post a vid like he requested... (Which you won't, just more exuses) Who's cowering now?? Otherwise, STFU nuthugger!!! LMAO!!

Carry on!

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Navygolf13
read this as if it were a shop you trusted

probably wouldnt be the same thread since a reputable shop that isnt shady would have responded and more people would have vouched for them because theyre trustworthy. this isnt the first VRT shady dealing.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by drivenCSZ
yea but it isnt an outside customer or observer like one of us making the claim...its a tech that did work on the cars at the shop. it's a bit different.

perhaps he has a vendetta but he would be more knowledgeable about what went on there than you, no? just as you would be more knowledgeable of what goes on there than most of us.
I agree with what you are saying, but I sent the OP a PM asking him what the deal is. I know him and yes he worked on my car. I asked him to tell me what the deal is and show me the proof he said he has, but his story changed a couple times in this thread and that got swept under the rug....he says no work, then someone else says there are a bunch of cars there. Then he changes his story to say it was because MrA said he was not doing work he said he was???? Someone who is let go would be even more unreliable without some sort of proof in my mind.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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Navy, it looks like your booty buddy Mr.A ran and hid like a little btch while you are there defending him by yourself
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by drivenCSZ
probably wouldnt be the same thread since a reputable shop that isnt shady would have responded and more people would have vouched for them because theyre trustworthy. this isnt the first VRT shady dealing.
Okay I hear what you are saying but that applies to shops that get a lot of business from here, I do not think they do. I think they get most of their business from other places....not sure but I think MrA said something about that once. I also think most of their customers are not even on here.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Check the BBB guys, it appears that this shop shows up twice.

1. Under their original name = Violent racing technology (unsatisfactory and MIA)

http://search.bbb.org/Results.aspx?n...c=&st=&z=92019


2. Per their own website; "VRT - Verified Racing Technology (formally Violent - thought we would tone it down a bit)...blah blah blah.

Back to the BBB with their new name...but same story (unsatisfactory)


http://search.bbb.org/Results.aspx?n...c=&st=&z=92019

I am not sure if this is just one complaint each, under both business names or a summary of multiple complaints...or the same complaint(s) following them around. Apparently they chose not to respond...LOL! (<--just like this thread)

EDIT: It looks like one complaint under the first name and they could not find them. And one complaint under the second name and no response. Could be the same complaint...I dunno. Actually, with the number of guys on this thread talking about their experience...I am suprised there are not more complaints.

EDIT2: Under the first name, there is no rating...only MIA. Unsat on second with one complaint. Guys, why have you not reported this stuff to the BBB?

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cubu
Navy, it looks like your booty buddy Mr.A ran and hid like a little btch while you are there defending him by yourself
How much of this did you actually read? Two pages?
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Navy works/worked for VRT? So you're not really defending the shop who did you right and built your car, you're defending the guy who signs your checks. Two very different motives in my book...
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie_Z
Check the BBB guys, it appears that this shop shows up twice.

1. Under their original name = Violent racing technology (unsatisfactory and MIA)

http://search.bbb.org/Results.aspx?n...c=&st=&z=92019


2. Per their own website; "VRT - Verified Racing Technology (formally Violent - thought we would tone it down a bit)...blah blah blah.

Back to the BBB with their new name...but same story (unsatisfactory)


http://search.bbb.org/Results.aspx?n...c=&st=&z=92019

I am not sure if this is just one complaint each, under both business names or a summary of multiple complaints...or the same complaint(s) following them around. Apparently they chose not to respond...LOL! (<--just like this thread)
Ummm... O-W-N-A-G-E.....
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dave079
Yes he worked or works for them but cant seem to remember what month he stopped working for them
Sounds like something Bill Clinton would say under oath SNAP!
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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navy...i am gonna need proof you are actually married since no woman would wanna be with a compulsive and b!tchass liar such as you. I am also gonna need proof that she is actually with you and not just your car because your boyfriend did build you a very nice car! KTHXBYE!
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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I read from 1 to 22 page yesterday now 22 to 36.This is better than watching tv.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by failsafe306
Sounds like something Bill Clinton would say under oath SNAP!
I was actually thinking the same thing... "I did not have sex with that woman..."
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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BASED on the BBB report, MR. A, MICHAEL, MICHAEL ALVAREZ, navy's boy toy is in fact manager/owner of VRT.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by failsafe306
Navy works/worked for VRT? So you're not really defending the shop who did you right and built your car, you're defending the guy who signs your checks. Two very different motives in my book...
I got one check from him last summer....and what does that mean? Oh you must think that every former employee anyone has they will stand up for them right?
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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So when is VRT gonna make a statement?
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Originally Posted by gothchick
Well, I've posted up my tuning parameters and DJ dyno pulls... I'm not insinuating anything - I pretty much proved it. Is that not good enough for you either? It's not rocket science ya know, once you get over the fear and mysticism of tuning. And now I regret paying $375 for a tune that I was able to do better (10whp to 16whp better). But live & learn. That's why we're all here.
DJ pulls at shop of your boyfriend's choice... oh, i'm sure they're accurate... again, proof is in the pudding...and you won't pony up...

Originally Posted by gothchick
Would you like screen shots of my actual timing & fuel maps instead of my tuning spreadsheet? Would that be better proof for you of the tune I'm running? If you'd like, I can even post up the 'professional' tune I had done & you can see how much further I tweaked it...
no, thanks... "tweaking" a tune doesn't mean that you've made it better... sorry to burst your bubble...


Originally Posted by gothchick
Here, let me help ya out a bit J... Re-dyno'ing on the original dyno is meaningless since it was almost three months ago. Things like humidity, barometric pressure, ambient temp, tie down pressure, tire pressure, engine temp, dyno usage/temp, etc all affect the tune and /or the dyno's numbers.

The only way to do a comparison the way you are suggesting is to do two pulls on the same day, same atmospheric conditions, same dyno, very close to the same time, with all the same dyno settings. Now that isn't really possible at this point, is it?
you have this weird notion that the above variables will have a profound affect on the outcome... sorry, but, they won't... most of the variables are taken into account by the dyno... the others are negligible...



Originally Posted by gothchick
Look, I've offered to take my car to Balanced Performance's DD (Ie. Their Heart Breaker). If you'd like to be present during the pulls, I'll let you know when & where. If that's not good enough, then it sucks to be you.
they're "heartbreaker" is a DynoJet! i refer you to

http://www.balancedperformance.com/services_p.html

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I posted proof of my claims, you posted proof of nothing except what a nut-hugging choir boy you are. I bet you even have a pair of well used knee pads in your closet. Lol!!
more post regurgitation... does it never get old to you??

Originally Posted by gothchick
Tell ya what, Alberto called you out on your BS today... I dare you to post a vid like he requested... Otherwise, STFU!!!


you think that was alberto calling me out? *lol* alberto was poking friendly fun at me... he knows me and my car... he knows he could out drive me on a moped... neither of us knows who's car is faster and neither of us cares... you really do have a lot to learn...



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