Another Performance Factory Success!!! My 06 Greddy TT 5AT!!!
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
well the A:F is important.... but there is no need to post it along with the whp tq curves all the time so i agree with that...
gurgen is jsut asking to see it... no big deal... its part of "why they never show it" that might be a but irritating cause they dont have to unless asked.
gurgen is jsut asking to see it... no big deal... its part of "why they never show it" that might be a but irritating cause they dont have to unless asked.
With a dynojet it's user configurable. I've played with winpep enough to know how to do it. On a small laptop screen it might clutter it up, though. Who cares about AFR's. He's not going to tune a car in the 12+ range and let it leave the shop. That's just stupid.
Originally Posted by Zexy
Because it's all fake like area 51... lol. Why does an AFR plot matter so much?? What's the necessity to see the right balance of fuel and air after the car made good power and the customer states the tune was performed? I don't see anything curious about no AFR plot on the dyno graph.
that could be one reason...
but, in truth, it's most likely because to some, the AFR plot is as interesting as the TQ and HP curves...
Last edited by stormcrow; Aug 10, 2007 at 08:55 AM.
I really don't understand you guys.. you post a public thread in a public forum and the min someone asks questions or says something from the norm.. you guys get pissed off and start the personal attacks.. its like yes.. i posted it.. so now just say something nice and don't make any comments. The only person who ever seems to be calm and collected in these threads is Jeremey.. then you have like 10 other people who jump up like attack dogs
I said it sounded scripted because usually a customer has no idea about the timing or fuel unless he was told so specifically.. not like he went home and found out himself.. then you guys attack
someone asks for AFR and then you guys attack again
Originally Posted by pimpsahab
And on top of it all his tunes are always safe and have enough fuel and have enough timing pulled so its not like he scratched that power out...its a safe conservative tune...
someone asks for AFR and then you guys attack again
I believe Jeremy has the TXA tuner wibeband hooked directly to the customer's UTEC to get more precise datalogging. I'm not sure how the dyno software is hooked up, but I doubt he is running redundant A:F sensors just so that the dyno can have a readout for printing purposes.
Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
all the automatics do that loop when the tq convertor grabs on my dyno...
Good job JT!
Very nice numbers for an AT.
A good AF curve illustartes good control over the engine and tuning process, IMHO. And can also seperate conservative from aggressive tuning, and add another dimension to a static dyno chart. This is why we show it, as does GTM, and others. Most of the time, we run two widebands, just to make certain, rather than relying on just one sensor.
Nice power...enjoy it!
Nice power...enjoy it!
Originally Posted by GurgenPB
Why is it that I have never seen a dyno plot posted from PF with an AFR plot. Can we see one with an AF ratio?
Not makign any accusations really, just find it curious. Or is that considered proprietary information?
Not makign any accusations really, just find it curious. Or is that considered proprietary information?
because i dont use the dynojet AF ratio meter to tune cars. i have a full stand alone wideband...
Well...
The reason I ask is that it's standard practice not only on these forums but everywhere, and, among other things, demonstrates the tuner's level of attention to detail. I know that it shows the AFR at WOT-only condition, but it's nice to knwo the tuner is meticulous enough to be near perfect with the AFR.
I just find the response a bit perpelxing, as I have seen one posted in the past, but as a rule I have not seen PF do it routinely.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
Not that it's necesarrily a big deal. It can very well be claimed to be proprietary knowledge. But I am sure one would agree that it does provide us (the readers) with means of assemssment of the tuner's work, pretty much the only way one could without stairing at the complete tuning tables directly. Just my $0.02
The reason I ask is that it's standard practice not only on these forums but everywhere, and, among other things, demonstrates the tuner's level of attention to detail. I know that it shows the AFR at WOT-only condition, but it's nice to knwo the tuner is meticulous enough to be near perfect with the AFR.
I just find the response a bit perpelxing, as I have seen one posted in the past, but as a rule I have not seen PF do it routinely.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
Not that it's necesarrily a big deal. It can very well be claimed to be proprietary knowledge. But I am sure one would agree that it does provide us (the readers) with means of assemssment of the tuner's work, pretty much the only way one could without stairing at the complete tuning tables directly. Just my $0.02
Your numerous 2 cents on various threads could make you alot of money by opening your own business since you seem PLENTY knowledgable.. Instead on spilling what you think is important other tuner's should do with what cars.
My 3 cents.!
My 3 cents.!
Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
because i dont use the dynojet AF ratio meter to tune cars. i have a full stand alone wideband...
Why are we nitpicking? I'm assuming if he wants to display AFR's he'll have to dyno the car again and use the sniffer on the dyno to log it.
Originally Posted by GurgenPB
I just find the response a bit perpelxing, as I have seen one posted in the past, but as a rule I have not seen PF do it routinely.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
alittle more on topic, pimpsahab nice #s man, bet its nice to have that power all the time now
my tuning skills are displayed in the drag section, having the fastest street Z for the past year, fastest twin turbo Z for the past year, fastest nitrous Z for the past year, fastest stock block, fastest 6 mt , fastest turbonetics single and fastest all motor Z.....
thanks...
no need to show my AFR, ALL of my cars are still running strong but AJs stock motor which we intentionally blew up...
thanks...
no need to show my AFR, ALL of my cars are still running strong but AJs stock motor which we intentionally blew up...
Originally Posted by GurgenPB
Well...
The reason I ask is that it's standard practice not only on these forums but everywhere, and, among other things, demonstrates the tuner's level of attention to detail. I know that it shows the AFR at WOT-only condition, but it's nice to knwo the tuner is meticulous enough to be near perfect with the AFR.
I just find the response a bit perpelxing, as I have seen one posted in the past, but as a rule I have not seen PF do it routinely.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
Not that it's necesarrily a big deal. It can very well be claimed to be proprietary knowledge. But I am sure one would agree that it does provide us (the readers) with means of assemssment of the tuner's work, pretty much the only way one could without stairing at the complete tuning tables directly. Just my $0.02
The reason I ask is that it's standard practice not only on these forums but everywhere, and, among other things, demonstrates the tuner's level of attention to detail. I know that it shows the AFR at WOT-only condition, but it's nice to knwo the tuner is meticulous enough to be near perfect with the AFR.
I just find the response a bit perpelxing, as I have seen one posted in the past, but as a rule I have not seen PF do it routinely.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....4&d=1174877215
Not that it's necesarrily a big deal. It can very well be claimed to be proprietary knowledge. But I am sure one would agree that it does provide us (the readers) with means of assemssment of the tuner's work, pretty much the only way one could without stairing at the complete tuning tables directly. Just my $0.02
Last edited by Audible Mayhem; Aug 10, 2007 at 03:52 PM.
What haters here. If you don't like JT then just avoid the threads. It's like how I try to avoid anything Douglas says. I admit I messed up on this one but I'm tired of the "anti PF" crowd. Yeah he tuned my car and I flew him to me to tune the car over anyone else here. In my mind I made the right choice by far. I'm always been a "go big or go home" type of a guy, so if you don't like what he's doing then STFU. He is "meticulous" enough to get to where we want him to go. He's also not arrogant like some on here. That's just my $5 so go stuff a sock Dougie, you're such a hater. How's Julian BTW?
Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
my tuning skills are displayed in the drag section, having the fastest street Z for the past year, fastest twin turbo Z for the past year, fastest nitrous Z for the past year, fastest stock block, fastest 6 mt , fastest turbonetics single and fastest all motor Z.....
thanks...
no need to show my AFR, ALL of my cars are still running strong but AJs stock motor which we intentionally blew up...
thanks...
no need to show my AFR, ALL of my cars are still running strong but AJs stock motor which we intentionally blew up...
Do you all think this happened on accident??
He is on top for a reason I would stop all the doubt n b.s.
Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
my tuning skills are displayed in the drag section, having the fastest street Z for the past year, fastest twin turbo Z for the past year, fastest nitrous Z for the past year, fastest stock block, fastest 6 mt , fastest turbonetics single and fastest all motor Z.....
why does everything have to be up for debate by the peanut gallery on these forums. It seems that whenever someone posts up a dyno graph or something else, everyone feels the need to diagnose and breakdown the minutia.
and when did A:F ratios become the standard for measuring a "good" or "safe" tune? IMHO, ignition timing is far more critical than the A:F ratio. Granted, they need to be tuned together, but timing is where the power is really made! It is a good thing the peanut gallery doesn't want to see timing graphs.
maybe that'll be the new trend. 



