May be piecing together a kit, need help.
Originally Posted by rcntype
Alright, now i'm mad.
ARE YOU GUYS REALLY A BUNCH OF PUSS*ES OR WHAT?!!!!!!
I'm thinking about getting a 350z in about 6mo. Found this site. Obviously the first thing i research into is a turbo kit cause the Z realistically is not that fast(i come from a turbo 240sx) stock.
Researched the TN single kit and the APS single kit (i just don't like twin for some reason and $$$). Then i start reading more about this forum and its participants and i realize, most on here don't really have a clue about basic engine theory or even more broader, basic engineering theory.
Anyway piecing together a turbo kit is a piece of cake on almost any car. Come on people, its basically just a bunch of pipes! You talk about clearance being tight blah blah... yo just measure! WTF is that hard?
You guys also mention not being able to come out of a custom kit better off financially or better in general. Are you kidding me? I can probably piece together(which i am going to do by the way) a kit for around 3g +or - and be capable of up to 500-600hp with tuneablility and reliability.
On my 240, i custom made intercooler pipes (Al), custom made up/DP and bam thats it everything else you just buy and put where you want. **** i even made my own BOV flange out of aluminum on a lathe out of a billet piece of stock. Obviously i planned it out to a T so i wouldn't have any hiccus and you know what after 10k miles or so my engine/turbo is still going strong with not one problem since. My custom kit is capable of 450rwhp only thing limiting me is injector size(didn't want a hugh injector) and engine. This "kit" would probably sell for 5g's from an aftermarket company. I made it for way less.
The TN kit i think comes with too small of an injector size, which hampers upgrading the boost. And the TN kits intercooler pipes SUCK ***** compared to the APS kit's. Booth kits comes with some type of generic turbo tune, which you can't tune yourself. All these things you can improve on with some research, time and effort because that is what you are mainly paying for.
ps - I would also have to agree that the person who started this thread didn't research enough.
Now that i called yall puss*es, please don't be mad LOL, its just that i see more and more people get into the aftermarket performance section of this industry and have no idea of HOW or WHAT the hell they are doing. And the best way to learn is doing yourself. Thanks and i'mma get of my box now and hide in the corner.
Alright, now i'm mad.
ARE YOU GUYS REALLY A BUNCH OF PUSS*ES OR WHAT?!!!!!!
I'm thinking about getting a 350z in about 6mo. Found this site. Obviously the first thing i research into is a turbo kit cause the Z realistically is not that fast(i come from a turbo 240sx) stock.
Researched the TN single kit and the APS single kit (i just don't like twin for some reason and $$$). Then i start reading more about this forum and its participants and i realize, most on here don't really have a clue about basic engine theory or even more broader, basic engineering theory.
Anyway piecing together a turbo kit is a piece of cake on almost any car. Come on people, its basically just a bunch of pipes! You talk about clearance being tight blah blah... yo just measure! WTF is that hard?
You guys also mention not being able to come out of a custom kit better off financially or better in general. Are you kidding me? I can probably piece together(which i am going to do by the way) a kit for around 3g +or - and be capable of up to 500-600hp with tuneablility and reliability.
On my 240, i custom made intercooler pipes (Al), custom made up/DP and bam thats it everything else you just buy and put where you want. **** i even made my own BOV flange out of aluminum on a lathe out of a billet piece of stock. Obviously i planned it out to a T so i wouldn't have any hiccus and you know what after 10k miles or so my engine/turbo is still going strong with not one problem since. My custom kit is capable of 450rwhp only thing limiting me is injector size(didn't want a hugh injector) and engine. This "kit" would probably sell for 5g's from an aftermarket company. I made it for way less.
The TN kit i think comes with too small of an injector size, which hampers upgrading the boost. And the TN kits intercooler pipes SUCK ***** compared to the APS kit's. Booth kits comes with some type of generic turbo tune, which you can't tune yourself. All these things you can improve on with some research, time and effort because that is what you are mainly paying for.
ps - I would also have to agree that the person who started this thread didn't research enough.
Now that i called yall puss*es, please don't be mad LOL, its just that i see more and more people get into the aftermarket performance section of this industry and have no idea of HOW or WHAT the hell they are doing. And the best way to learn is doing yourself. Thanks and i'mma get of my box now and hide in the corner.
I for one have actually had a custom single turbo kit made 2 years ago and I can tell you that the type of thinking that you are doing is what got me neck deep in ****. Your right, it is just measuring, but the cost of build materials and all the part to make it work (fuel system, bov, wastegate, turbo, intercooler, EMS/EMU etc.) is still quite expensive. The 350z is ridiculous tight and even when you do get things to fit you generally have to prep other parts for the high heat that they will be subjected to from the tight confines of our engine bay.
Take for example the issues people have had with their A/C line getting ruined from the Turbonetics install. Even though this was generally from improper install it just goes to show that it take quite a bit to get it perfect.
IMO, the STS kit would be one of the most easy kits to replicate because the majority of the piping is out of the engine bay.
Either way, I wouldn't be so quick to say that it is just like some 4 cylinder car in regards to ease of making a kit.
rcntype you should at least get the car and attempt this before you start calling everyone on here *******. It's not that we are, but why go against a proven system, that may end up costing more in the long run.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
For all of the people who ask about building a custom kit or "piecing" one together 99% of the people don't have the skill, access to equipment, or experience to do it.
If you think you're going to piece together a custom kit for 3k, and put down 600whp, you clearly have done zero research on the topic. You'll end up spending close to that just in fuel system and engine management components alone to do it right.
Originally Posted by SpoilsofWar
If you think you're going to piece together a custom kit for 3k, and put down 600whp, you clearly have done zero research on the topic. You'll end up spending close to that just in fuel system and engine management components alone to do it right.
Those of you that think you could piece together a kit for under $3K, post up the parts you plan on using and the price you think you will pay. The freaking injectors and UTEC only would be at least $1,300 and that's using RC's injectors which will get the job done, but one of the least expensive available. I highly doubt you will get a quality turbo and intercooler for $1,700, not to mention the cost of piping.
Oh oh, I know, you're going to use cheap Ebay parts.
Last edited by Gman2004; Sep 21, 2007 at 05:25 AM.
Originally Posted by rcntype
Alright, now i'm mad.
ARE YOU GUYS REALLY A BUNCH OF PUSS*ES OR WHAT?!!!!!!
I'm thinking about getting a 350z in about 6mo. Found this site. Obviously the first thing i research into is a turbo kit cause the Z realistically is not that fast(i come from a turbo 240sx) stock.
Researched the TN single kit and the APS single kit (i just don't like twin for some reason and $$$). Then i start reading more about this forum and its participants and i realize, most on here don't really have a clue about basic engine theory or even more broader, basic engineering theory.
Anyway piecing together a turbo kit is a piece of cake on almost any car. Come on people, its basically just a bunch of pipes! You talk about clearance being tight blah blah... yo just measure! WTF is that hard?
You guys also mention not being able to come out of a custom kit better off financially or better in general. Are you kidding me? I can probably piece together(which i am going to do by the way) a kit for around 3g +or - and be capable of up to 500-600hp with tuneablility and reliability.
On my 240, i custom made intercooler pipes (Al), custom made up/DP and bam thats it everything else you just buy and put where you want. **** i even made my own BOV flange out of aluminum on a lathe out of a billet piece of stock. Obviously i planned it out to a T so i wouldn't have any hiccus and you know what after 10k miles or so my engine/turbo is still going strong with not one problem since. My custom kit is capable of 450rwhp only thing limiting me is injector size(didn't want a hugh injector) and engine. This "kit" would probably sell for 5g's from an aftermarket company. I made it for way less.
The TN kit i think comes with too small of an injector size, which hampers upgrading the boost. And the TN kits intercooler pipes SUCK ***** compared to the APS kit's. Booth kits comes with some type of generic turbo tune, which you can't tune yourself. All these things you can improve on with some research, time and effort because that is what you are mainly paying for.
ps - I would also have to agree that the person who started this thread didn't research enough.
Now that i called yall puss*es, please don't be mad LOL, its just that i see more and more people get into the aftermarket performance section of this industry and have no idea of HOW or WHAT the hell they are doing. And the best way to learn is doing yourself. Thanks and i'mma get of my box now and hide in the corner.
ARE YOU GUYS REALLY A BUNCH OF PUSS*ES OR WHAT?!!!!!!
I'm thinking about getting a 350z in about 6mo. Found this site. Obviously the first thing i research into is a turbo kit cause the Z realistically is not that fast(i come from a turbo 240sx) stock.
Researched the TN single kit and the APS single kit (i just don't like twin for some reason and $$$). Then i start reading more about this forum and its participants and i realize, most on here don't really have a clue about basic engine theory or even more broader, basic engineering theory.
Anyway piecing together a turbo kit is a piece of cake on almost any car. Come on people, its basically just a bunch of pipes! You talk about clearance being tight blah blah... yo just measure! WTF is that hard?
You guys also mention not being able to come out of a custom kit better off financially or better in general. Are you kidding me? I can probably piece together(which i am going to do by the way) a kit for around 3g +or - and be capable of up to 500-600hp with tuneablility and reliability.
On my 240, i custom made intercooler pipes (Al), custom made up/DP and bam thats it everything else you just buy and put where you want. **** i even made my own BOV flange out of aluminum on a lathe out of a billet piece of stock. Obviously i planned it out to a T so i wouldn't have any hiccus and you know what after 10k miles or so my engine/turbo is still going strong with not one problem since. My custom kit is capable of 450rwhp only thing limiting me is injector size(didn't want a hugh injector) and engine. This "kit" would probably sell for 5g's from an aftermarket company. I made it for way less.
The TN kit i think comes with too small of an injector size, which hampers upgrading the boost. And the TN kits intercooler pipes SUCK ***** compared to the APS kit's. Booth kits comes with some type of generic turbo tune, which you can't tune yourself. All these things you can improve on with some research, time and effort because that is what you are mainly paying for.
ps - I would also have to agree that the person who started this thread didn't research enough.
Now that i called yall puss*es, please don't be mad LOL, its just that i see more and more people get into the aftermarket performance section of this industry and have no idea of HOW or WHAT the hell they are doing. And the best way to learn is doing yourself. Thanks and i'mma get of my box now and hide in the corner.
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Oh i totally deserve every name you guys are calling me because of my post.
Now instead of me spending way too much time trying to come up with amusing retords to each of your posts, i'm gonna get back to the subject.
Why are you guys all against building your own kit, its like when someone mentions custom kit they get boo'd off the Apollo stage.
I DO agree to the fact that some people are way better off spending the money to buy a kit. I also think that not everyone has a 5g lump sum to spend all at once even if they do own a 350z, like the person who started this thread. Thats why sometimes its easier to buy piece by piece and put it together yourself. Custom kit doesn't have to mean making a intercooler pipe our of a sold aluminum block.
The main point is that its do-able, its not rocket science. Now i'm going to list loosely the main parts that my custom kit would have, if this helps Rooftop just a little then i think my job is done.
- Size a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's single turbo. - this cuts down on learning turbo theory and how to size one correctly for the 3.5 cause they have already done the research. If you want a faster spool/less HP potential then get slightly smaller and vice versa.
- Make your own cross over pipe using PREBENT mandrel steel tubing or just buy "their" piece. Also make dp to connect to exhaust.
- Use APS horizontal intercooler, i think this intercooler locates the cold pipe a lot more efficiently than the TN's and the cold pipe is just a straight pipe to the throttle body, doesn't get easier than that.
- Buy some prebent mandrel aluminum tubing for intercooler piping, measure (x2), cut and get welded by profession tig welders. I take mines to this place that make hugh business awnings.
- get oil pan welded for return or just buy an oil pan with oil return bung made into it.
- buy whatever wastegate and bov design you like, place accordingly.
- I've had good luck with Deatschwerks injectors, they have a set of 650cc for 479, or whatever size you like for the Z. When i bought my injectors for my 240 they still had a rebate program where they buy your stock injectors, not sure if they still have that.
- buy whatever engine management setup your comfortable with and like.
- buy miscellaneous hoses, clamps, lines(oil and air), fittings, gauges, controllers.
Now instead of me spending way too much time trying to come up with amusing retords to each of your posts, i'm gonna get back to the subject.
Why are you guys all against building your own kit, its like when someone mentions custom kit they get boo'd off the Apollo stage.
I DO agree to the fact that some people are way better off spending the money to buy a kit. I also think that not everyone has a 5g lump sum to spend all at once even if they do own a 350z, like the person who started this thread. Thats why sometimes its easier to buy piece by piece and put it together yourself. Custom kit doesn't have to mean making a intercooler pipe our of a sold aluminum block.
The main point is that its do-able, its not rocket science. Now i'm going to list loosely the main parts that my custom kit would have, if this helps Rooftop just a little then i think my job is done.
- Size a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's single turbo. - this cuts down on learning turbo theory and how to size one correctly for the 3.5 cause they have already done the research. If you want a faster spool/less HP potential then get slightly smaller and vice versa.
- Make your own cross over pipe using PREBENT mandrel steel tubing or just buy "their" piece. Also make dp to connect to exhaust.
- Use APS horizontal intercooler, i think this intercooler locates the cold pipe a lot more efficiently than the TN's and the cold pipe is just a straight pipe to the throttle body, doesn't get easier than that.
- Buy some prebent mandrel aluminum tubing for intercooler piping, measure (x2), cut and get welded by profession tig welders. I take mines to this place that make hugh business awnings.
- get oil pan welded for return or just buy an oil pan with oil return bung made into it.
- buy whatever wastegate and bov design you like, place accordingly.
- I've had good luck with Deatschwerks injectors, they have a set of 650cc for 479, or whatever size you like for the Z. When i bought my injectors for my 240 they still had a rebate program where they buy your stock injectors, not sure if they still have that.
- buy whatever engine management setup your comfortable with and like.
- buy miscellaneous hoses, clamps, lines(oil and air), fittings, gauges, controllers.
Last edited by rcntype; Sep 21, 2007 at 02:52 PM.
Originally Posted by rcntype
Oh i totally deserve every name you guys are calling me because of my post.
Now instead of me spending way too much time trying to come up with amusing retords to each of your posts, i'm gonna get back to the subject.
Why are you guys all against building your own kit, its like when someone mentions custom kit they get boo'd off the Apollo stage.
I DO agree to the fact that some people are way better off spending the money to buy a kit. I also think that not everyone has a 5g lump sum to spend all at once even if they do own a 350z, like the person who started this thread. Thats why sometimes its easier to buy piece by piece and put it together yourself. Custom kit doesn't have to mean making a intercooler pipe our of a sold aluminum block.
The main point is that its do-able, its not rocket science. Now i'm going to list loosely the main parts that my custom kit would have, if this helps Rooftop just a little then i think my job is done.
- Size a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's single turbo. - this cuts down on learning turbo theory and how to size one correctly for the 3.5 cause they have already done the research. If you want a faster spool/less HP potential then get slightly smaller and vice versa.
- Make your own cross over pipe using PREBENT mandrel steel tubing or just buy "their" piece. Also make dp to connect to exhaust.
- Use APS horizontal intercooler, i think this intercooler locates the cold pipe a lot more efficiently than the TN's and the cold pipe is just a straight pipe to the throttle body, doesn't get easier than that.
- Buy some prebent mandrel aluminum tubing for intercooler piping, measure (x2), cut and get welded by profession tig welders. I take mines to this place that make hugh business awnings.
- get oil pan welded for return or just buy an oil pan with oil return bung made into it.
- buy whatever wastegate and bov design you like, place accordingly.
- I've had good luck with Deatschwerks injectors, they have a set of 650cc for 479, or whatever size you like for the Z. When i bought my injectors for my 240 they still had a rebate program where they buy your stock injectors, not sure if they still have that.
- buy whatever engine management setup your comfortable with and like.
- buy miscellaneous hoses, clamps, lines(oil and air), fittings, gauges, controllers.
Now instead of me spending way too much time trying to come up with amusing retords to each of your posts, i'm gonna get back to the subject.
Why are you guys all against building your own kit, its like when someone mentions custom kit they get boo'd off the Apollo stage.
I DO agree to the fact that some people are way better off spending the money to buy a kit. I also think that not everyone has a 5g lump sum to spend all at once even if they do own a 350z, like the person who started this thread. Thats why sometimes its easier to buy piece by piece and put it together yourself. Custom kit doesn't have to mean making a intercooler pipe our of a sold aluminum block.
The main point is that its do-able, its not rocket science. Now i'm going to list loosely the main parts that my custom kit would have, if this helps Rooftop just a little then i think my job is done.
- Size a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's single turbo. - this cuts down on learning turbo theory and how to size one correctly for the 3.5 cause they have already done the research. If you want a faster spool/less HP potential then get slightly smaller and vice versa.
- Make your own cross over pipe using PREBENT mandrel steel tubing or just buy "their" piece. Also make dp to connect to exhaust.
- Use APS horizontal intercooler, i think this intercooler locates the cold pipe a lot more efficiently than the TN's and the cold pipe is just a straight pipe to the throttle body, doesn't get easier than that.
- Buy some prebent mandrel aluminum tubing for intercooler piping, measure (x2), cut and get welded by profession tig welders. I take mines to this place that make hugh business awnings.
- get oil pan welded for return or just buy an oil pan with oil return bung made into it.
- buy whatever wastegate and bov design you like, place accordingly.
- I've had good luck with Deatschwerks injectors, they have a set of 650cc for 479, or whatever size you like for the Z. When i bought my injectors for my 240 they still had a rebate program where they buy your stock injectors, not sure if they still have that.
- buy whatever engine management setup your comfortable with and like.
- buy miscellaneous hoses, clamps, lines(oil and air), fittings, gauges, controllers.
BOV (Greddy types RS with flange) $220
Deatschwerks injectors - $479
Utec - $900
The parts above total $1,747 with out shipping except for the oil spacer. That leaves you with $1,253 out of your $3K budget. Good luck getting a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's and an APS intercooler with that. That doesn't even inlclude the piping, clamps, lines, etc.
Now do you see why everyone is saying it's not possible?
Last edited by Gman2004; Sep 21, 2007 at 03:19 PM.
forgot to include the wastegate
AAM oil pan spacer - $148 free shipping
BOV (Greddy types RS with flange) $220
Deatschwerks injectors - $479
Utec - $900
Tial wastegate - $220
total =$1,967. That leaves you $1,033 out of your $3K budget to complete your turbo kit.
Good luck.
AAM oil pan spacer - $148 free shipping
BOV (Greddy types RS with flange) $220
Deatschwerks injectors - $479
Utec - $900
Tial wastegate - $220
total =$1,967. That leaves you $1,033 out of your $3K budget to complete your turbo kit.
Good luck.
Last edited by Gman2004; Sep 21, 2007 at 03:27 PM.
I agree, it's doable, but usually not worth the extra effort. If I was a bad *** fabricator and welder, you bet your *** I'd be out in the garage right now making my own custom kit. But, I'm not so I settled for out of the box 
Originally Posted by Gman2004
AAM oil pan spacer - $148 free shipping
BOV (Greddy types RS with flange) $220
Deatschwerks injectors - $479
Utec - $900
The parts above total $1,747 with out shipping except for the oil spacer. That leaves you with $1,253 out of your $3K budget. Good luck getting a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's and an APS intercooler with that. That doesn't even inlclude the piping, clamps, lines, etc.
Now do you see why everyone is saying it's not possible?
BOV (Greddy types RS with flange) $220
Deatschwerks injectors - $479
Utec - $900
The parts above total $1,747 with out shipping except for the oil spacer. That leaves you with $1,253 out of your $3K budget. Good luck getting a turbo similar to TN's 60-1 or APS's and an APS intercooler with that. That doesn't even inlclude the piping, clamps, lines, etc.
Now do you see why everyone is saying it's not possible?
A Turbonetics 60-1/T3 Stage 5 ceramic ball bearing turbo retails for about $1400. And thats WITHOUT the custom turbine housing they use on the Z kit. APS uses a GT3582 ALSO with custom covers so again good luck with that. Add just the 60-1 price to what you have already where are you?
$3188
Tell me again how you are going to do this for under $3000?
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