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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
Mine starts spraying at 3-4psi and increases until it hits 100% at 10psi. The Snow Perf. Stage 2 is a progressive unit. My tuner also pulled a degree or two of timing. My air/fuel is 11.4 with meth off and 11.9-12 with meth on.
I thought meth/water is suppose to make the engine run richer? I tried running my snow stage 2 kit on my car previously. I start at 4psi and end at 6psi. I notice when it start spraying, it gets about 0.4-0.5 A/F richer. Hence, there is more room to push for higher timing, or lean back some the fuel.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 08:24 AM
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I thought meth/water is suppose to make the engine run richer? I tried running my snow stage 2 kit on my car previously. I start at 4psi and end at 6psi. I notice when it start spraying, it gets about 0.4-0.5 A/F richer. Hence, there is more room to push for higher timing, or lean back some the fuel.
It is more octane so you can run it leaner and still be safe. It will run richer if you just add it without compensation. I would ask your tuner what method they prefer. I had Tuan at GRD do mine and that's how he did it.

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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
It is more octane so you can run it leaner and still be safe. It will run richer if you just add it without compensation. I would ask your tuner what method they prefer. I had Tuan at GRD do mine and that's how he did it.
Great!! Thanks for the tips. I only had it for about a month before i send my in for a build. I'm still quite new to this stuff.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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I have a 3.12 Vortech setup on my revup.
I'm using an Apexi midpipe and backbox, Vortech supplied intake, stock headers, cams and cats.
When I was doing my research before installing this, I read that compressors don't quite work like turbos - you need SOME backpressure for best results.
For this, most people were not suggesting true duals, so I followed this advice.

I also found out that the more free flowing your breathing is, the lowest your boost will be, all other things equal.

So, to sum up:
1) Bigger intake/exhaust will result in lower boost (good thing for your engine).
2) Superchargers need a little backpressure to maintain good low end torque.
3) You can upgrade to smaller diameter pulleys to keep same boost levels, which will in turn result in higher power numbers, but maybe lower tq.
4) Most people avoid true duals on SC installs.

My setup made 400whp using a Haltech Platinum ECU.

Hi there,

Do you reckon my exhaust setup will be suitable for the additional boost? I'm only looking at 10psi using HKS SC kit. Its cammed with 8.5:1 compression ratio. I also did 3 angle cut on the valve seats. Would my exhaust which consist of impul headers, tomei test pipes, nismo Y-pipe, & muffler be ok?

Guys, i know I've been asking the same question over and over. Its never a bad thing to get more experienced SC'd Z owners to advise.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by z_333
Hi there,

Do you reckon my exhaust setup will be suitable for the additional boost? I'm only looking at 10psi using HKS SC kit. Its cammed with 8.5:1 compression ratio. I also did 3 angle cut on the valve seats. Would my exhaust which consist of impul headers, tomei test pipes, nismo Y-pipe, & muffler be ok?

Guys, i know I've been asking the same question over and over. Its never a bad thing to get more experienced SC'd Z owners to advise.
I would still get rid of the y-pipe and do a borla or some other true dual exhaust. I think the Borla is only 2.35" or something so it's still not super free flowing. I would go with 15+ psi with a built motor with that compression ratio. I'm at 11psi with the stock 10.3 compression ratio making 414whp and I still don't feel like my car is fast but am limited becaus eof having a stock block. Why don't you sell the HKS and get a Power Lab single turbo? I bet you could get a good amount of money for your supercharger.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by z_333
I already have JWT S1 cams and impul headers. I just wanna find out if its efficient to use them on 10psi setup
I couldn't really find too much people about it but why not the JWT S2 cams. I am just wondering about that. I am slowly building my way up to SC that is why and cams is the 2nd thing in my to do list

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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by z_333
Hi there,

Do you reckon my exhaust setup will be suitable for the additional boost? I'm only looking at 10psi using HKS SC kit. Its cammed with 8.5:1 compression ratio. I also did 3 angle cut on the valve seats. Would my exhaust which consist of impul headers, tomei test pipes, nismo Y-pipe, & muffler be ok?

Guys, i know I've been asking the same question over and over. Its never a bad thing to get more experienced SC'd Z owners to advise.

I believe your exhaust setup would be more than enough, as is.
If you go for a more free flow setup, the boost will drop, given you keep the same pulleys - which isn't a bad thing of course, but you will get a hit in torque.

However, as suggested above, a low-comp, built motor can take much higher boost levels without any trouble, provided you have a good ECU and a competent tuner.
On my setup (Haltech Platinum coupled with one of the best tuners in my country), if I had a low compression built motor like you, I'd definitely go higher than 10psi. But if you want to play safe, then by all means keep it at 10psi, which isn't really 10, it would be 12ish on a stock exhaust system.
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Originally Posted by z_333
Are you using HKS SC kit as well? Would like to learn more about it from you.
yes, GTM spec "stage 5" HKS SC. MY boost peaks at ~13 psi. Cosworth plenum, Nismo headers, Power Enterprise HFC's, Tanabe Y pipe, Amuse R1 exhaust, etc.

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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LaoSiFu
I couldn't really find too much people about it but why not the JWT S2 cams. I am just wondering about that. I am slowly building my way up to SC that is why and cams is the 2nd thing in my to do list

~Robert
I got the S1 cams from a local vendor when my car is still bone stock. Was thinking for having just a lil bit of power with out much hassle. Didn't know I would go this far.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 350Z400rwhp
I would still get rid of the y-pipe and do a borla or some other true dual exhaust. I think the Borla is only 2.35" or something so it's still not super free flowing. I would go with 15+ psi with a built motor with that compression ratio. I'm at 11psi with the stock 10.3 compression ratio making 414whp and I still don't feel like my car is fast but am limited becaus eof having a stock block. Why don't you sell the HKS and get a Power Lab single turbo? I bet you could get a good amount of money for your supercharger.
Turbo charging it is my long term goal. Thats the whole reason I went to 8.5:1 compression ratio. Anyway, since I already have most of the NA parts which was accumulated during the NA days, I would like to make use of them.

It is quite limited for me in terms of turbo kits. Cars are right hand drive in my country. Most of the US kits wouldn't fit. Available options for me are HKS, Power Enterprise, APS.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Xendric
I believe your exhaust setup would be more than enough, as is.
If you go for a more free flow setup, the boost will drop, given you keep the same pulleys - which isn't a bad thing of course, but you will get a hit in torque.

However, as suggested above, a low-comp, built motor can take much higher boost levels without any trouble, provided you have a good ECU and a competent tuner.
On my setup (Haltech Platinum coupled with one of the best tuners in my country), if I had a low compression built motor like you, I'd definitely go higher than 10psi. But if you want to play safe, then by all means keep it at 10psi, which isn't really 10, it would be 12ish on a stock exhaust system.
The sucky bit about the HKS kit is the limitation. At the assuming 10psi, I would be using 85mm pulley which is almost at the edge of my SC's efficiency. I'll try it out first. When I get more urge for power, I'll look for a larger compressor from Rotrex or go turbocharging.

The high tempreture and humidity in my area is really killer for boosted engines. My builder just tore the engine apart and found 3 broken rings and a chipped piston. Thats with just 6psi on a stock block. Track tempreture goes as high as 47degree Celcius.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 11:19 AM
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I feel your pain as far as temperature goes, it's 40 degrees these days in Greece.
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Thanks to everyone who replied. It has been very helpful. I'll post some pics once I get everything together.

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