Procharger Comments from Vice President
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(raising the limiter to 7100 rpm increases boost pressure to 9+ psi)
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Guys and Gals .............just wanted to find out if I am a "**** SUCKER" for posting what Ken (VP) emailed me or is this the "TRUTHFULL INFORMATION" you guys strive to find? Please let me know honestly and I will continue to stir up info regarding all MODS, or I will stop right now. Thank you in advance.
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Originally posted by takes12no1z
OTHERs:
I can only hope that one day some of you jackasses owns a business and gets attacked like this. The logic is pretty simple. 6 out of 100 failures means 94 successes? Let's say 10 people blew up thier engines? If there was a design issue, why wouldn't that be higher?
People who don't think logically always think they are being talked down to, when someone uses reason in a discussion. But sadly, your not being talked down to, you just FEEL that way, just like typical anti-business liberals.
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I can only hope that one day some of you jackasses owns a business and gets attacked like this. The logic is pretty simple. 6 out of 100 failures means 94 successes? Let's say 10 people blew up thier engines? If there was a design issue, why wouldn't that be higher?
People who don't think logically always think they are being talked down to, when someone uses reason in a discussion. But sadly, your not being talked down to, you just FEEL that way, just like typical anti-business liberals.
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If 6 people blew up their motors, and the other 94 heard about it, don't you think that other 94 would change their driving habits to avoid such a catastrophe?......wouldn't that lower the possibility of other failures?........of course it would
Please don't equate my loathing for ATI as being anti-business......i'm extremely conservative in my views.......ATI just happens to really suck.......why do you think they took down the superchargersonline forums?.......that forum was full of unhappy ATI customers.........if ATI isn't doing anything wrong, then they don't have anything to worry about........but if they are doing something wrong, this is how it gets exposed.........by people coming together, sharing their experiences, and going through the proper channels to get ATI held accountable for their actions.......thats why those proper channels exist, for companies like ATI
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Originally posted by daking350
Well I guess everyone who went to the CT XXX tuning day better get re-tuned from what your telling me...
The guys car put out 386whp with an A/F of 12:6.1 and thats similar to the way they tuned everyone elses car...Soooo I guess THEY are to blame to now as far as ATI is concearned...$hit, why not blame the guy who pumped your gas wile were at it...
Well I guess everyone who went to the CT XXX tuning day better get re-tuned from what your telling me...
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The guys car put out 386whp with an A/F of 12:6.1 and thats similar to the way they tuned everyone elses car...Soooo I guess THEY are to blame to now as far as ATI is concearned...$hit, why not blame the guy who pumped your gas wile were at it...
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FuidZ keep on keeping on.
Bonz your warranty is null and void because in your profile it link to your Dr, stuff and ATI reads all of this and now you are screwed.
Sorry.
You are not what they consider "stock" anymore. You can sell your everlasting Gobstopper to Slubrock now if you like lol.
Welcome to our world.
ATI Blows hot air and cold ya see?
Bonz your warranty is null and void because in your profile it link to your Dr, stuff and ATI reads all of this and now you are screwed.
Sorry.
You are not what they consider "stock" anymore. You can sell your everlasting Gobstopper to Slubrock now if you like lol.
Welcome to our world.
ATI Blows hot air and cold ya see?
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Originally posted by fluidz
Guys and Gals .............just wanted to find out if I am a "**** SUCKER" for posting what Ken (VP) emailed me or is this the "TRUTHFULL INFORMATION" you guys strive to find? Please let me know honestly and I will continue to stir up info regarding all MODS, or I will stop right now. Thank you in advance.
Guys and Gals .............just wanted to find out if I am a "**** SUCKER" for posting what Ken (VP) emailed me or is this the "TRUTHFULL INFORMATION" you guys strive to find? Please let me know honestly and I will continue to stir up info regarding all MODS, or I will stop right now. Thank you in advance.
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Originally posted by GaryK
Hey, I was just asking a question...just so you know. The fact that it put out 386 whp says it probably was tuned for maximum power, which I think is where some people are getting into trouble. Why push it...we already have higher than optimum compression ratio and timing maps that weren't meant for f/i. At that a/f ratio, anything could put it over the edge...hotter weather, fuel quality, i/c heat soak, ecu "learning" algorithm changing something, etc.
Hey, I was just asking a question...just so you know. The fact that it put out 386 whp says it probably was tuned for maximum power, which I think is where some people are getting into trouble. Why push it...we already have higher than optimum compression ratio and timing maps that weren't meant for f/i. At that a/f ratio, anything could put it over the edge...hotter weather, fuel quality, i/c heat soak, ecu "learning" algorithm changing something, etc.
EJ-----You win the ATI quote of the YEAR!!!
ATI just happens to really suck.......
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Originally posted by daking350
Well then EVERYONE there was tuned for MAX power cause the dyno #'s were all in the 370's hp...Unless they dont know what they are doing at XXX..Which I doubt is the case they seemed pretty efficient there...I dont think the kit should be THAT much on the edge of FAME or FAILURE...
EJ-----You win the ATI quote of the YEAR!!!
ATI just happens to really suck.......
Well then EVERYONE there was tuned for MAX power cause the dyno #'s were all in the 370's hp...Unless they dont know what they are doing at XXX..Which I doubt is the case they seemed pretty efficient there...I dont think the kit should be THAT much on the edge of FAME or FAILURE...
EJ-----You win the ATI quote of the YEAR!!!
ATI just happens to really suck.......
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Tuning this kit at an a/f ratio of 12.6 is a risk. This does not mean it is absolutely guaranteed to blow the engine. But, if something is off just a little bit, then one could go boom. You can run that lean with f/i, but it could be called a ticking timebomb. Sooner or later, it will probably have a problem in this applicaton.
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Perhaps someone should enlighten all of us what the a/f is. what the ideal compression ratio is. what the timing conditions should be and explain why if we know this why ATI ignores it. Could anyone edumacate us?
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Originally posted by daking350
I understand Gary...But I did not know 12.5 was a Lean A/F ratio..
I understand Gary...But I did not know 12.5 was a Lean A/F ratio..
The only way to ensure that all cylinders are getting the appropriate AF ratio is to install an O2 sensor on the output of each cylinder, which is prohibitively expensive. Thus the reason why I tuned mine for 11.5:1 average AF ratio, just to be safe.
Jesse
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Originally posted by BLOBYU
Perhaps someone should enlighten all of us what the a/f is. what the ideal compression ratio is. what the timing conditions should be and explain why if we know this why ATI ignores it. Could anyone edumacate us?
Perhaps someone should enlighten all of us what the a/f is. what the ideal compression ratio is. what the timing conditions should be and explain why if we know this why ATI ignores it. Could anyone edumacate us?
For forced induction, you normally want a much lower compression ratio than what the vq35 has. It is dependant somewhat on how much boost you want to run, but on average around 9:1. Higher compression can be dealt with, but you will have to stick to low boost levels and take other precautions.
The timing maps in the stock ecu are obviously for an n/a application. While not optimum for forced induction, they can be used if the boost is kept low, the intake charge is kept relatively cool, and high octane fuel is used. The biggest problem with the stock timing is the amount it ramps up in the upper rpm range. Ideally, the timing would be reduced be several degrees up in this area and also reduced a small amount even at lower rpms.
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More from Vice President will be posted at 10:00am PST on 12/18/03...........cant copy and paste from this comp................
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