Trying to research FI.
the bible of turbocharging
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=5336118848-20
the bible of engine assembly, dont let anyone fool you a piston engine is a piston engine. you apply the same concepts and you will be successful, the issues arise when people try to build a engine like stock but are tripling or more the stock power.
http://rehermorrison.com/engine-book/
and finally this will help explain interactions between parts, its for v8's but again everything works the same basic way and follows the same basic principles. more then likely it will be useless for you unless you are looking to go for custom intakes, cams and such though.
David Vizard's How to Build Horsepower (SA Design): David Vizard: 9781934709177: Amazon.com: Books
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=5336118848-20
the bible of engine assembly, dont let anyone fool you a piston engine is a piston engine. you apply the same concepts and you will be successful, the issues arise when people try to build a engine like stock but are tripling or more the stock power.
http://rehermorrison.com/engine-book/
and finally this will help explain interactions between parts, its for v8's but again everything works the same basic way and follows the same basic principles. more then likely it will be useless for you unless you are looking to go for custom intakes, cams and such though.
David Vizard's How to Build Horsepower (SA Design): David Vizard: 9781934709177: Amazon.com: Books
Can't stress that enough. The vq35 is basically a really nice v8 with two less cylinders. For example one of the best builders (by track record literally and figuratively lol) is Eddie @ Dynosty. He used to build I want to say sprint cup engines, but I'm not sure.
OP definitely do the leak down/compression test (that will tell you ring health), and I would recommend doing an oil test to help check the status of your bearings. I've seen a few bearings out of high mile vq35's and they're usually pretty good, but you still want to make sure that the outer layer is all good.
The website to go to for the oil test is: http://www.blackstone-labs.com
If your bearings are worn, I would probably say only proceed if you're willing to build the whole thing. In which case I would recommend driving it as is until you have the funds for a new engine. If you use a working engine before you have it built, it usually will save you money as 9/10 you'll put a hole in your block or worse damage the heads. If you break those things, you'll have to replace them. Just a thought to consider.
This thread gives me an idea....
EDIT:
I spent two hours typing out a noob guide (with pics and everything) to the vq35. Forgot to copy and paste, then got timed out when I tried to submit
Last edited by Resmarted; Oct 13, 2013 at 07:38 PM.
Next the poor 1/4 mile times don't have anything to do with the engine, but the chassis. It's a well known fact that the z33 was not made to squat like a drag car.
Plenty of tube chassis vq35's have been RIPPING it up. Currently a vq35 based engine is powering the fastest nissan out there (WORLDS FASTEST NISSAN SCOTT PORTER 6.34 @ 222 MPH - VQ35 V6 TWIN TURBO SYDNEY DRAGWAY 2.11.2012 - YouTube)
So if you really think that a 4 liter 1500hp vq35 is 'worse' than a 1500hp 3.4 liter 2jz, then hats off to you; your logic is broken.
So lets get to the actual technical details; why a vq35 has more potential than a 2j.
Heads; this is really where the power is made. The guys from RIPS (rb30 gods from NZ) said it the best; the low end is a pump, and the head is where you make your power. The vq35 can run up to 288 duration 11.59mm lift without machining. The max you'll see is like on my setup; 272's with 11.59 on a street car.
The 2jz maxes out at 280 and 10.4mm of lift. That's a pretty substantial difference.
But lets go on to the more important aspects of the head. VE and Combustion chamber design.
The vq35 shines partially because of it's intake angle. The runners shoot air into the valves at a much steeper angle, allowing for better flow through the ports. Where as the 2jz has runners that require the air to bend 90* and down before entering the combustion chamber. Combine that with a greater amount of lift, and adjustable cam timing and you have a motor that is far more capable on the street and in race trim.
Issues with the vq? Rod stroke ratio, and tons of bad bubble shops. The high rod stroke ratio makes the rods inherently weaker compared to that of the 2jz's, BUT it also helps the engine produce more torque later in the rev band. When you're drag racing, this is a good thing. Most drag cars launch on stall or nitrous anyway so low end torque is not very important.
Usually you'll find that rod stroke length just shifts where the torque is made; longer moves torque up, shorter moves torque down. It also changes how the engine is loaded/what gets loaded harder (cylinders, bearings etc).
The biggest two weaknesses of the vq35 are the cylinder walls, and the head lift. Head lift is now considered a joke with the advent of the l19 studs, so to argue this is a moot point. The sleeving deal has been done for years, on numerous engines. And when you compare the cost of sleeving (roughly 3k), to the cost of a 12k+ 3.4 liter stroker bottom end... it seems a bit stupid.
The biggest weakness of the 2jz is headflow and overall displacement. Believe it or not, but building a 1000+hp drag engine would actually cheaper with a vq. You don't even need a stroker kit... Nice set of rods (1,500), nice pistons (1k or less), sleeve kit (3k), 288's (1k), Valvesprings (500), dry sump (3-4k depending, could easily make your own for cheaper), sleeves (3k) and you're sitting at about 13k without assembly. That engine would rev to 9k easily and could very easily be (For a few hundred more) more than a 3.5 liter (oversized pistons). Would be an easy 1200whp+engine. That is forgetting the HG and headstuds/mainstuds and a few other things.
To have an engine that could spool the same turbo/make the same level power band would be somewhere along these lines:
3.5 liter stroker (titan spec-only one I would run if I was serious) (9k), gsc s3's (850+$ for machining heads+cam gears+shimless buckets), billet mains, valves, porting/polishing, dry sump... You're easily looking at over 13k for the stroker and head work alone. Not to forget, you'll still have more lift and duration in the vq35, and those heads won't even be touched!
Don't forget valve size differences too: the vq35 has a 36mm/31mm intake and exhaust valve size (respectively) stock. The 2jz has a 33mm/29mm valve size respectively. Oversize 2j valves go up to 34/31 from what I've seen.
The vq35 is a newer engine. The 2j is tried and true. But ultimately the vq35 has more displacement, pretty stout design, and better flowing heads. Just because more shops can successfully put together a 2jz DOESN'T mean it's a better engine. Everyone has their own individual wants/needs. Every build/application has it's own drawbacks and benefits. To say one is better than the other is really stupid.
EDIT:
Don't forget the issues on the 2jz with belt based timing... breaking timing parts and all that is a pita
Plenty of tube chassis vq35's have been RIPPING it up. Currently a vq35 based engine is powering the fastest nissan out there (WORLDS FASTEST NISSAN SCOTT PORTER 6.34 @ 222 MPH - VQ35 V6 TWIN TURBO SYDNEY DRAGWAY 2.11.2012 - YouTube)
So if you really think that a 4 liter 1500hp vq35 is 'worse' than a 1500hp 3.4 liter 2jz, then hats off to you; your logic is broken.
So lets get to the actual technical details; why a vq35 has more potential than a 2j.
Heads; this is really where the power is made. The guys from RIPS (rb30 gods from NZ) said it the best; the low end is a pump, and the head is where you make your power. The vq35 can run up to 288 duration 11.59mm lift without machining. The max you'll see is like on my setup; 272's with 11.59 on a street car.
The 2jz maxes out at 280 and 10.4mm of lift. That's a pretty substantial difference.
But lets go on to the more important aspects of the head. VE and Combustion chamber design.
The vq35 shines partially because of it's intake angle. The runners shoot air into the valves at a much steeper angle, allowing for better flow through the ports. Where as the 2jz has runners that require the air to bend 90* and down before entering the combustion chamber. Combine that with a greater amount of lift, and adjustable cam timing and you have a motor that is far more capable on the street and in race trim.
Issues with the vq? Rod stroke ratio, and tons of bad bubble shops. The high rod stroke ratio makes the rods inherently weaker compared to that of the 2jz's, BUT it also helps the engine produce more torque later in the rev band. When you're drag racing, this is a good thing. Most drag cars launch on stall or nitrous anyway so low end torque is not very important.
Usually you'll find that rod stroke length just shifts where the torque is made; longer moves torque up, shorter moves torque down. It also changes how the engine is loaded/what gets loaded harder (cylinders, bearings etc).
The biggest two weaknesses of the vq35 are the cylinder walls, and the head lift. Head lift is now considered a joke with the advent of the l19 studs, so to argue this is a moot point. The sleeving deal has been done for years, on numerous engines. And when you compare the cost of sleeving (roughly 3k), to the cost of a 12k+ 3.4 liter stroker bottom end... it seems a bit stupid.
The biggest weakness of the 2jz is headflow and overall displacement. Believe it or not, but building a 1000+hp drag engine would actually cheaper with a vq. You don't even need a stroker kit... Nice set of rods (1,500), nice pistons (1k or less), sleeve kit (3k), 288's (1k), Valvesprings (500), dry sump (3-4k depending, could easily make your own for cheaper), sleeves (3k) and you're sitting at about 13k without assembly. That engine would rev to 9k easily and could very easily be (For a few hundred more) more than a 3.5 liter (oversized pistons). Would be an easy 1200whp+engine. That is forgetting the HG and headstuds/mainstuds and a few other things.
To have an engine that could spool the same turbo/make the same level power band would be somewhere along these lines:
3.5 liter stroker (titan spec-only one I would run if I was serious) (9k), gsc s3's (850+$ for machining heads+cam gears+shimless buckets), billet mains, valves, porting/polishing, dry sump... You're easily looking at over 13k for the stroker and head work alone. Not to forget, you'll still have more lift and duration in the vq35, and those heads won't even be touched!
Don't forget valve size differences too: the vq35 has a 36mm/31mm intake and exhaust valve size (respectively) stock. The 2jz has a 33mm/29mm valve size respectively. Oversize 2j valves go up to 34/31 from what I've seen.
The vq35 is a newer engine. The 2j is tried and true. But ultimately the vq35 has more displacement, pretty stout design, and better flowing heads. Just because more shops can successfully put together a 2jz DOESN'T mean it's a better engine. Everyone has their own individual wants/needs. Every build/application has it's own drawbacks and benefits. To say one is better than the other is really stupid.
EDIT:
Don't forget the issues on the 2jz with belt based timing... breaking timing parts and all that is a pita
I have never compared the power band or power potential between the two engine. All I said is that the VQ35 will never handle big power like the 2jz in average builds. How many 600whp-1000whp VQ's are on the street driven hard?
And no one in his right mind will compare a street car to a fully built drag car that has its engine rebuild every couple of runs. Except for morons.
you will never get through to that looser, in his eyes all the successful sleeved vq's are a myth and even though we are posting videos of them the scott porter car STILL runs that time and is going strong yet to this day only ONE 2jz car has run that, thats the E kanoo supra that did it ONCE and broke the block and ran in the 7's the rest of the event. no 2jz has ever ran faster then that 6.34
of course he will never acknowledge that he will keep going on about how the 2jz is better despite the vq engines have faster cars running them and have better power bands. a 288 vq car will easily have a better power band then a 272 2jz.
of course he will never acknowledge that he will keep going on about how the 2jz is better despite the vq engines have faster cars running them and have better power bands. a 288 vq car will easily have a better power band then a 272 2jz.
Last edited by midz350; Oct 14, 2013 at 06:56 AM.
I have never compared the power band or power potential between the two engine. All I said is that the VQ35 will never handle big power like the 2jz in average builds. How many 600whp-1000whp VQ's are on the street driven hard?
And no one in his right mind will compare a street car to a fully built drag car that has its engine rebuild every couple of runs. Except for morons.
I'm only writing this because one of the admins deleted my post where I proved you wrong and a lier twice and I will prove you wrong again and show that you still talk out of your ***.
None of the racing vq's are rebuilt all the time, and the 3.4/3.5 liter stroker motors are just the same "race prep" as a sleeved engine. Both of those setups are streetable. E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves. And if you seriously think I haven't seen those videos
So what I was wrong about SP putting down a 9.35!? All the technical information I went over was correct. All you have is slander and stupid videos that prove none of your points.
How many 600whp+ vq35's are out there driven hard? Well more and more every day. With good shops like dynosty, vtr, mazworx, sp, there aren't machining errors in built engines. Jerry and Binder both make tons of power and from what I can tell, both of their cars are doing fine. The 2j has turbos from the factory, can hold sh** tons from the factory, and has been around for-ever. Of course it has tons of power potential. It has a stout short end. I've helped build a few.
Want to see a billet rod from a 2jz that spun a bearing? It's my friends!
I guess in your world, that doesn't happen does it?! Only on a vq, RIGHT?!
Last edited by Resmarted; Oct 14, 2013 at 10:19 AM.
your still a joke its funny you posted a video of the E kanoo car how about bolding THIS LINE scott porter car STILL runs that time and is going strong yet to this day only ONE 2jz car has run that, thats the E kanoo supra that did it ONCE and broke the block and ran in the 7's the rest of the event. let me refresh your memory http://www.ereleases.com/pr/ekanoo-r...-bahrain-71619
he ran the SAME as scott porter ONCE and busted the block, i already linked the source too. so again on strength? you havnt proven me a liar once you havnt backed up a SINGLE fact. its also funny you brought up the GAS car since i already mentioned previously IT IS THE ONLY 2JZ TO EVER BREAK 2000 HP AND IT HAS A FULLY FILLED BLOCK AND RUNS ON METHANOL how about you call them up and ask how many engines that celica has blown even with a fully filled block?(heres a hint its every other event they run faster then 6.4) also LOLS at the 23k shortblock and 18k for heads to BARELY flow more then stock HR heads(330 cfm pretty much the highest flowing 2jz head out there)
so keep on going showing your complete lack of any knowledge how about you post some more 2jz's that blew up there first pass down the track?
he ran the SAME as scott porter ONCE and busted the block, i already linked the source too. so again on strength? you havnt proven me a liar once you havnt backed up a SINGLE fact. its also funny you brought up the GAS car since i already mentioned previously IT IS THE ONLY 2JZ TO EVER BREAK 2000 HP AND IT HAS A FULLY FILLED BLOCK AND RUNS ON METHANOL how about you call them up and ask how many engines that celica has blown even with a fully filled block?(heres a hint its every other event they run faster then 6.4) also LOLS at the 23k shortblock and 18k for heads to BARELY flow more then stock HR heads(330 cfm pretty much the highest flowing 2jz head out there)
so keep on going showing your complete lack of any knowledge how about you post some more 2jz's that blew up there first pass down the track?
http://youtu.be/-f1fjak5JXQ
I have never compared the power band or power potential between the two engine. All I said is that the VQ35 will never handle big power like the 2jz in average builds. How many 600whp-1000whp VQ's are on the street driven hard?
And no one in his right mind will compare a street car to a fully built drag car that has its engine rebuild every couple of runs. Except for morons.
I'm only writing this because one of the admins deleted my post where I proved you wrong and a lier twice and I will prove you wrong again and show that you still talk out of your ***.
http://youtu.be/XmaUTG2xsu0
http://youtu.be/wYUSPkssfIY?t=10m23s
I have never compared the power band or power potential between the two engine. All I said is that the VQ35 will never handle big power like the 2jz in average builds. How many 600whp-1000whp VQ's are on the street driven hard?
And no one in his right mind will compare a street car to a fully built drag car that has its engine rebuild every couple of runs. Except for morons.
I'm only writing this because one of the admins deleted my post where I proved you wrong and a lier twice and I will prove you wrong again and show that you still talk out of your ***.
http://youtu.be/XmaUTG2xsu0
http://youtu.be/wYUSPkssfIY?t=10m23s
Last edited by jerryd87; Oct 14, 2013 at 06:18 PM.
exactly the only issue i have with my car is wideband, haltech sensors dont work with the AEM so it has slightly inaccurate fueling yet it still runs just fine............ and the new sensors with bosch installed Rcal resistors are on the way, hardly any deficiency considering haltech does free air calibration and aem dosnt
let me help you out some, yah spun bearings totally dont happen on mark 4's let alone mark 3's too..........
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sea...archid=2172793
totally not a huge thread about crank walk thats for sure, regardless if its with extreme clutch setups.......... the vq dosnt have that issue with extreme clutchs
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...ght=crank+walk
let me help you out some, yah spun bearings totally dont happen on mark 4's let alone mark 3's too..........
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sea...archid=2172793
totally not a huge thread about crank walk thats for sure, regardless if its with extreme clutch setups.......... the vq dosnt have that issue with extreme clutchs
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...ght=crank+walk
I'm not a liar, and neither is Jerry. The fact that you have had 3 motors fail shows you don't have a clue what you're doing. So don't start that pissing contest.
None of the racing vq's are rebuilt all the time, and the 3.4/3.5 liter stroker motors are just the same "race prep" as a sleeved engine. Both of those setups are streetable. E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves. And if you seriously think I haven't seen those videos
So what I was wrong about SP putting down a 9.35!? All the technical information I went over was correct. All you have is slander and stupid videos that prove none of your points.
How many 600whp+ vq35's are out there driven hard? Well more and more every day. With good shops like dynosty, vtr, mazworx, sp, there aren't machining errors in built engines. Jerry and Binder both make tons of power and from what I can tell, both of their cars are doing fine. The 2j has turbos from the factory, can hold sh** tons from the factory, and has been around for-ever. Of course it has tons of power potential. It has a stout short end. I've helped build a few.
Want to see a billet rod from a 2jz that spun a bearing? It's my friends!
I guess in your world, that doesn't happen does it?! Only on a vq, RIGHT?!
None of the racing vq's are rebuilt all the time, and the 3.4/3.5 liter stroker motors are just the same "race prep" as a sleeved engine. Both of those setups are streetable. E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves. And if you seriously think I haven't seen those videos
So what I was wrong about SP putting down a 9.35!? All the technical information I went over was correct. All you have is slander and stupid videos that prove none of your points.
How many 600whp+ vq35's are out there driven hard? Well more and more every day. With good shops like dynosty, vtr, mazworx, sp, there aren't machining errors in built engines. Jerry and Binder both make tons of power and from what I can tell, both of their cars are doing fine. The 2j has turbos from the factory, can hold sh** tons from the factory, and has been around for-ever. Of course it has tons of power potential. It has a stout short end. I've helped build a few.
Want to see a billet rod from a 2jz that spun a bearing? It's my friends!
I guess in your world, that doesn't happen does it?! Only on a vq, RIGHT?!
Last edited by jerryd87; Oct 14, 2013 at 07:39 PM.
I'm not a liar, and neither is Jerry. The fact that you have had 3 motors fail shows you don't have a clue what you're doing. So don't start that pissing contest.
None of the racing vq's are rebuilt all the time, and the 3.4/3.5 liter stroker motors are just the same "race prep" as a sleeved engine. Both of those setups are streetable. E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves. And if you seriously think I haven't seen those videos
So what I was wrong about SP putting down a 9.35!? All the technical information I went over was correct. All you have is slander and stupid videos that prove none of your points.
How many 600whp+ vq35's are out there driven hard? Well more and more every day. With good shops like dynosty, vtr, mazworx, sp, there aren't machining errors in built engines. Jerry and Binder both make tons of power and from what I can tell, both of their cars are doing fine. The 2j has turbos from the factory, can hold sh** tons from the factory, and has been around for-ever. Of course it has tons of power potential. It has a stout short end. I've helped build a few.
Want to see a billet rod from a 2jz that spun a bearing? It's my friends!
I guess in your world, that doesn't happen does it?! Only on a vq, RIGHT?!
None of the racing vq's are rebuilt all the time, and the 3.4/3.5 liter stroker motors are just the same "race prep" as a sleeved engine. Both of those setups are streetable. E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves. And if you seriously think I haven't seen those videos
So what I was wrong about SP putting down a 9.35!? All the technical information I went over was correct. All you have is slander and stupid videos that prove none of your points.
How many 600whp+ vq35's are out there driven hard? Well more and more every day. With good shops like dynosty, vtr, mazworx, sp, there aren't machining errors in built engines. Jerry and Binder both make tons of power and from what I can tell, both of their cars are doing fine. The 2j has turbos from the factory, can hold sh** tons from the factory, and has been around for-ever. Of course it has tons of power potential. It has a stout short end. I've helped build a few.
Want to see a billet rod from a 2jz that spun a bearing? It's my friends!
I guess in your world, that doesn't happen does it?! Only on a vq, RIGHT?!
First of all, I never called YOU a lier.
I have never said the the 2jz is a bulletproof engine that will not fail or break.
I didn't bring these 6's cars . jerryd87 started that.
I was talking about street 9's cars.
In the beginning jerryd87 gave the same advise I gave in my first post that the OP wants to use the Z to learn about cars. Even though he gave the same advise he started to attack me as usual.
I didn't bring the 2jz to this thread to begin with. jerryd87 did because he for some reason has a beef with me and he knows that I'm doing a 2jz swap. He even said that he asked the MODs to ban be way before even this thread started. That just to show how mature he is.
first of all my problem with you is you have NO working experience on cars yet try to tell people how to do things to there cars properly yet 90% of the time your dead wrong and not even close. why? because you have no working knowledge of cars, the most experience you have is writing the check, if you said something of the nature of "the shop i go to says this" then i would simply tell you that you shouldnt go to that shop anymore, instead you try to speak from first hand experience which you have none.
you started with this, which you ALWAYS follow with how the vq is such a horrible engine and it isnt meant to be boosted like there is some magical property about it that prevents it from being boosted. continuing to accept your poor decisions in engine builders and instead blame a bunch of hunks of metal that function in the EXACT same way as any other piston engine out there. there is nothing special about it that prevents it from being boosted, there is no crushing weakness that causes it to spin bearings. bearings ONLY spin from dirt, improper oil, or improper clearances NONE of which are engine specific however its funny how ALL of them are builder specific. of course you wouldnt know that because you have never in your life assembled a engine let alone blueprinted one.
not only that you REFUSE to back up a single thing you say, you pull things out of thin air with no proof of what you say and expect people to just believe you, and when i post proof of what i say you simply pretend like the post didnt even happen and claim i dont have any proof. rb26 vs 2jz vs vq35 ring a bell where i posted dyno charts of all three with 67mm turbos after you claimed the rb26 could spool just as effectively showing you where wrong and the rb26 has significantly less spool then the other two? of course not you continued to go on in that thread as if those posts didnt exist and completely ignored the facts expecting people to ignore facts and take your word for it.
this thread really shows your lack of reading comprehension which is ironic since you bash others for it. where oh where did i say i requested you be banned before this thread even started? waizzz can even back up when i sent my original message, which was specifically due to your repeated violation of three separate TOU in this one thread.
you started with this, which you ALWAYS follow with how the vq is such a horrible engine and it isnt meant to be boosted like there is some magical property about it that prevents it from being boosted. continuing to accept your poor decisions in engine builders and instead blame a bunch of hunks of metal that function in the EXACT same way as any other piston engine out there. there is nothing special about it that prevents it from being boosted, there is no crushing weakness that causes it to spin bearings. bearings ONLY spin from dirt, improper oil, or improper clearances NONE of which are engine specific however its funny how ALL of them are builder specific. of course you wouldnt know that because you have never in your life assembled a engine let alone blueprinted one.
not only that you REFUSE to back up a single thing you say, you pull things out of thin air with no proof of what you say and expect people to just believe you, and when i post proof of what i say you simply pretend like the post didnt even happen and claim i dont have any proof. rb26 vs 2jz vs vq35 ring a bell where i posted dyno charts of all three with 67mm turbos after you claimed the rb26 could spool just as effectively showing you where wrong and the rb26 has significantly less spool then the other two? of course not you continued to go on in that thread as if those posts didnt exist and completely ignored the facts expecting people to ignore facts and take your word for it.
this thread really shows your lack of reading comprehension which is ironic since you bash others for it. where oh where did i say i requested you be banned before this thread even started? waizzz can even back up when i sent my original message, which was specifically due to your repeated violation of three separate TOU in this one thread.
I wish people would read and understand before opening their mouthes.
First of all, I never called YOU a lier.
I have never said the the 2jz is a bulletproof engine that will not fail or break.
I didn't bring these 6's cars . jerryd87 started that.
I was talking about street 9's cars.
In the beginning jerryd87 gave the same advise I gave in my first post that the OP wants to use the Z to learn about cars. Even though he gave the same advise he started to attack me as usual.
I didn't bring the 2jz to this thread to begin with. jerryd87 did because he for some reason has a beef with me and he knows that I'm doing a 2jz swap. He even said that he asked the MODs to ban be way before even this thread started. That just to show how mature he is.
First of all, I never called YOU a lier.
I have never said the the 2jz is a bulletproof engine that will not fail or break.
I didn't bring these 6's cars . jerryd87 started that.
I was talking about street 9's cars.
In the beginning jerryd87 gave the same advise I gave in my first post that the OP wants to use the Z to learn about cars. Even though he gave the same advise he started to attack me as usual.
I didn't bring the 2jz to this thread to begin with. jerryd87 did because he for some reason has a beef with me and he knows that I'm doing a 2jz swap. He even said that he asked the MODs to ban be way before even this thread started. That just to show how mature he is.
Last edited by jerryd87; Oct 15, 2013 at 03:56 PM.
first of all my problem with you is you have NO working experience on cars yet try to tell people how to do things to there cars properly yet 90% of the time your dead wrong and not even close. why? because you have no working knowledge of cars, the most experience you have is writing the check, if you said something of the nature of "the shop i go to says this" then i would simply tell you that you shouldnt go to that shop anymore, instead you try to speak from first hand experience which you have none.
you started with this, which you ALWAYS follow with how the vq is such a horrible engine and it isnt meant to be boosted like there is some magical property about it that prevents it from being boosted. continuing to accept your poor decisions in engine builders and instead blame a bunch of hunks of metal that function in the EXACT same way as any other piston engine out there. there is nothing special about it that prevents it from being boosted, there is no crushing weakness that causes it to spin bearings. bearings ONLY spin from dirt, improper oil, or improper clearances NONE of which are engine specific however its funny how ALL of them are builder specific. of course you wouldnt know that because you have never in your life assembled a engine let alone blueprinted one.
not only that you REFUSE to back up a single thing you say, you pull things out of thin air with no proof of what you say and expect people to just believe you, and when i post proof of what i say you simply pretend like the post didnt even happen and claim i dont have any proof. rb26 vs 2jz vs vq35 ring a bell where i posted dyno charts of all three with 67mm turbos after you claimed the rb26 could spool just as effectively showing you where wrong and the rb26 has significantly less spool then the other two? of course not you continued to go on in that thread as if those posts didnt exist and completely ignored the facts expecting people to ignore facts and take your word for it.
this thread really shows your lack of reading comprehension which is ironic since you bash others for it. where oh where did i say i requested you be banned before this thread even started? waizzz can even back up when i sent my original message, which was specifically due to your repeated violation of three separate TOU in this one thread.
you started with this, which you ALWAYS follow with how the vq is such a horrible engine and it isnt meant to be boosted like there is some magical property about it that prevents it from being boosted. continuing to accept your poor decisions in engine builders and instead blame a bunch of hunks of metal that function in the EXACT same way as any other piston engine out there. there is nothing special about it that prevents it from being boosted, there is no crushing weakness that causes it to spin bearings. bearings ONLY spin from dirt, improper oil, or improper clearances NONE of which are engine specific however its funny how ALL of them are builder specific. of course you wouldnt know that because you have never in your life assembled a engine let alone blueprinted one.
not only that you REFUSE to back up a single thing you say, you pull things out of thin air with no proof of what you say and expect people to just believe you, and when i post proof of what i say you simply pretend like the post didnt even happen and claim i dont have any proof. rb26 vs 2jz vs vq35 ring a bell where i posted dyno charts of all three with 67mm turbos after you claimed the rb26 could spool just as effectively showing you where wrong and the rb26 has significantly less spool then the other two? of course not you continued to go on in that thread as if those posts didnt exist and completely ignored the facts expecting people to ignore facts and take your word for it.
this thread really shows your lack of reading comprehension which is ironic since you bash others for it. where oh where did i say i requested you be banned before this thread even started? waizzz can even back up when i sent my original message, which was specifically due to your repeated violation of three separate TOU in this one thread.
Just because I didn't assembled an engine that doesn't mean I know nothing about cars. Its like telling a scientist that he knows nothing about a human body, just because he didn't do a surgery on one and replaced the heart!!!
Just when I posted in this thread that its a mistake to use the Z to learn about cars you went immediately saying that the VQ is the best 6 cylinder engine ever. I didn't attack the VQ.
When I compared the RB26 to 2JZ power bands I didn't bring the VQ35, YOU did.
And you went immediately with the american mentality and said lets stick a big turbo and see who comes to boost first.
The RB26 has a smoothest power band, higher rev limit and better more advanced heads. That's why most of the Japanese racers would use it more in their track cars. For a street 400whp-600whp car, I would chose the RB. Why I didn't, because the latest ones from the R34 sell for over $5000 where I live.
Another prove of the american mentality just like when Resmarted said "E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves" E Kanoo is not from UAE neither am I.
You always attack me personally before even you understand what I'm saying.
Now, who the lacks the reading comprehension?
Last edited by midz350; Oct 16, 2013 at 08:46 AM.
oh look your not even good at analogys since 1) scientists dont do work with the human body its doctors and 2)the law requires they DO operate on a human under supervision in order to be a doctor so everything you just said is completely false. not only that EVERY trade including engine building REQUIRES 2 years work experience under a ase master tech in order to be certified yourself so yes it means EXACTLY that. you dont know anything because you havnt done anything, your source is wikipedia and its completely wrong.
when you brought up the rb26 vs 2jz regardless who brought the vq into it i proved you wrong by posting dynos of both the rb26 AND 2jz with a 67mm turbo which shows the rb26 indeed DOES make less power and your full of it and dont have a clue what your talking about. a 67mm turbo ISNT a large turbo not even close its a mid size turbo, and not even the largest midframe do we need to get back into this? the size of the turbo is irrelevant the point is for both dynos to have the same size.
higher rev limit? really? the rev limit is determined by cams further showing of how you dont know anything the 2jz and even the vq can be built to rev your arguement is completely invalid. for a 400-600 hp car you make a horrible choice since as i have shown you MULTIPLE times the rb26 has its own issues and the vq35 will outperform it every day of the week at the same power level. should we go back to the dyno? that was a 600 whp car and it had only made 90% of its power for 1800 rpm thats a **** power band for anything but drag racing.
you still lack reading comprehension since you continuously make crap up and put words into peoples mouths then when your called out on it you COMPLETELY ignore what is said and attempt to change the subject to try and hide the fact you have NO CLUE what your saying, have NO car knowledge or experience and are COMPLETELY ignorant. its funny you insult resmarted which just furthers your ignorance most of the world refers to that ENTIRE region as the UAE, and the e kanoo supra is right there. the point he is making is that NO ONE in your area is capable of building a fast car they call people in from the US, which you continue to insult, to do it. but yah in a country with **** for car knowledge you actually know better then the guys from the country your car shops call in for help? what a joke im done with you.
you should follow what you actually said and quit posting there is not a SINGLE person on this forum who would trust a word you would say. EVERYTHING you say is full of holes and completely incorrect why would they? heck ignoring the fact you have NEVER assembled a engine, you havnt even had a high power car, so why would anyone even take you opinion over the facts that are presented by a member who 1) has a high power car, 2) has 12 years experience building engines 3)built EVERYTHING himself 4) trusted enough to work DIRECTLY with engineers from aem 5)has actually backed up what he has said.
oh and the attacks on the vq as i said you preempt every attack on the engine with that bs.
when you brought up the rb26 vs 2jz regardless who brought the vq into it i proved you wrong by posting dynos of both the rb26 AND 2jz with a 67mm turbo which shows the rb26 indeed DOES make less power and your full of it and dont have a clue what your talking about. a 67mm turbo ISNT a large turbo not even close its a mid size turbo, and not even the largest midframe do we need to get back into this? the size of the turbo is irrelevant the point is for both dynos to have the same size.
higher rev limit? really? the rev limit is determined by cams further showing of how you dont know anything the 2jz and even the vq can be built to rev your arguement is completely invalid. for a 400-600 hp car you make a horrible choice since as i have shown you MULTIPLE times the rb26 has its own issues and the vq35 will outperform it every day of the week at the same power level. should we go back to the dyno? that was a 600 whp car and it had only made 90% of its power for 1800 rpm thats a **** power band for anything but drag racing.
you still lack reading comprehension since you continuously make crap up and put words into peoples mouths then when your called out on it you COMPLETELY ignore what is said and attempt to change the subject to try and hide the fact you have NO CLUE what your saying, have NO car knowledge or experience and are COMPLETELY ignorant. its funny you insult resmarted which just furthers your ignorance most of the world refers to that ENTIRE region as the UAE, and the e kanoo supra is right there. the point he is making is that NO ONE in your area is capable of building a fast car they call people in from the US, which you continue to insult, to do it. but yah in a country with **** for car knowledge you actually know better then the guys from the country your car shops call in for help? what a joke im done with you.
you should follow what you actually said and quit posting there is not a SINGLE person on this forum who would trust a word you would say. EVERYTHING you say is full of holes and completely incorrect why would they? heck ignoring the fact you have NEVER assembled a engine, you havnt even had a high power car, so why would anyone even take you opinion over the facts that are presented by a member who 1) has a high power car, 2) has 12 years experience building engines 3)built EVERYTHING himself 4) trusted enough to work DIRECTLY with engineers from aem 5)has actually backed up what he has said.
oh and the attacks on the vq as i said you preempt every attack on the engine with that bs.
Just because I didn't assembled an engine that doesn't mean I know nothing about cars. Its like telling a scientist that he knows nothing about a human body, just because he didn't do a surgery on one and replaced the heart!!!
Just when I posted in this thread that its a mistake to use the Z to learn about cars you went immediately saying that the VQ is the best 6 cylinder engine ever. I didn't attack the VQ.
When I compared the RB26 to 2JZ power bands I didn't bring the VQ35, YOU did.
And you went immediately with the american mentality and said lets stick a big turbo and see who comes to boost first.
The RB26 has a smoothest power band, higher rev limit and better more advanced heads. That's why most of the Japanese racers would use it more in their track cars. For a street 400whp-600whp car, I would chose the RB. Why I didn't, because the latest ones from the R34 sell for over $5000 where I live.
Another prove of the american mentality just like when Resmarted said "E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves" E Kanoo is not from UAE neither am I.
You always attack me personally before even you understand what I'm saying.
Now, who the lacks the reading comprehension?
Just when I posted in this thread that its a mistake to use the Z to learn about cars you went immediately saying that the VQ is the best 6 cylinder engine ever. I didn't attack the VQ.
When I compared the RB26 to 2JZ power bands I didn't bring the VQ35, YOU did.
And you went immediately with the american mentality and said lets stick a big turbo and see who comes to boost first.
The RB26 has a smoothest power band, higher rev limit and better more advanced heads. That's why most of the Japanese racers would use it more in their track cars. For a street 400whp-600whp car, I would chose the RB. Why I didn't, because the latest ones from the R34 sell for over $5000 where I live.
Another prove of the american mentality just like when Resmarted said "E kanoo is proof that you UAE guys can't do anything yourselves" E Kanoo is not from UAE neither am I.
You always attack me personally before even you understand what I'm saying.
Now, who the lacks the reading comprehension?
Last edited by jerryd87; Oct 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM.
I don't care where you or E Kanoo are actually from. My point was you guys are having your parts/cars/engineering done in the US and paying out the A$$ to make it happen (Just like jerry said). If you have your motor built here and shipped there, have your car built by a US shop over there or here it shows there isn't the talent pool over there (at least for the VQ or 2JZ). Maybe you should listen to what we say then, people who are local and have a better pulse on what businesses are actually worth their weight in salt.
logic, it apparently dosnt belong on the internet what are you thinking 
I don't care where you or E Kanoo are actually from. My point was you guys are having your parts/cars/engineering done in the US and paying out the A$$ to make it happen (Just like jerry said). If you have your motor built here and shipped there, have your car built by a US shop over there or here it shows there isn't the talent pool over there (at least for the VQ or 2JZ). Maybe you should listen to what we say then, people who are local and have a better pulse on what businesses are actually worth their weight in salt.
higher rev limit? really? the rev limit is determined by cams further showing of how you dont know anything the 2jz and even the vq can be built to rev your arguement is completely invalid. for a 400-600 hp car you make a horrible choice since as i have shown you MULTIPLE times the rb26 has its own issues and the vq35 will outperform it every day of the week at the same power level. should we go back to the dyno? that was a 600 whp car and it had only made 90% of its power for 1800 rpm thats a **** power band for anything but drag racing.
you still lack reading comprehension since you continuously make crap up and put words into peoples mouths then when your called out on it you COMPLETELY ignore what is said and attempt to change the subject to try and hide the fact you have NO CLUE what your saying, have NO car knowledge or experience and are COMPLETELY ignorant. its funny you insult resmarted which just furthers your ignorance most of the world refers to that ENTIRE region as the UAE,
and the e kanoo supra is right there. the point he is making is that NO ONE in your area is capable of building a fast car they call people in from the US, which you continue to insult, to do it. but yah in a country with **** for car knowledge you actually know better then the guys from the country your car shops call in for help? what a joke im done with you.
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I don't care where you or E Kanoo are actually from. My point was you guys are having your parts/cars/engineering done in the US and paying out the A$$ to make it happen (Just like jerry said). If you have your motor built here and shipped there, have your car built by a US shop over there or here it shows there isn't the talent pool over there (at least for the VQ or 2JZ). Maybe you should listen to what we say then, people who are local and have a better pulse on what businesses are actually worth their weight in salt.
your first point makes no sense quit being ignorant
your second point ummmm 90% of the parts on my car are from the united states, EVERY major turbo used on these vehicles is used in the united states.
third the united states makes the AEM infinity-10 ECU i run, they also make the pro efi both top notch ecu's.
soooo not sure wtf your talking about stupid logic since you answered "no one in your region can build anything worthwhile" with "then why do you buy x part from this place that isnt even close to my region?" you just went from apples to airplanes with that comment
yup indeed there are alot of **** shops, ive said from the beginning the reason you had problems is you picked a crap shop. dosnt change the fact some of the top shops in the world are US shops. and even the crap shops here put out better junk then your best shops.
your second point ummmm 90% of the parts on my car are from the united states, EVERY major turbo used on these vehicles is used in the united states.
third the united states makes the AEM infinity-10 ECU i run, they also make the pro efi both top notch ecu's.
soooo not sure wtf your talking about stupid logic since you answered "no one in your region can build anything worthwhile" with "then why do you buy x part from this place that isnt even close to my region?" you just went from apples to airplanes with that comment
yup indeed there are alot of **** shops, ive said from the beginning the reason you had problems is you picked a crap shop. dosnt change the fact some of the top shops in the world are US shops. and even the crap shops here put out better junk then your best shops.
Yet, you still bring the VQ again.
Not most of the world, only ignorant people do that. Its like calling Korean people Chinese. Its rude and racist.
Then why would you buy the Z from Japan? Why buy parts from there? Why buy Haltech from Australia? You should make your own!! This is a stupid logic. (even thought a lot of the american shops failed to build a reliable VQ)
Not most of the world, only ignorant people do that. Its like calling Korean people Chinese. Its rude and racist.
Then why would you buy the Z from Japan? Why buy parts from there? Why buy Haltech from Australia? You should make your own!! This is a stupid logic. (even thought a lot of the american shops failed to build a reliable VQ
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