I see so many posts but really if you can have a good enough connection you can get the greddy kit alone with no intercooler for a very very resonable almost the same prices you guys are askin for or for what nonturbo is tryin to make... so i kind of see it as pointless if u can get the greddy kit without intercooler for a similiar price that nonturbo is tryin to do. and of course it isnt all just the kit that costs a lot it is the install, the labor for the car is yes usually around 1.5-2k but its money well needed b/c there is many many man hours involved in the installation so even if u get a good price on a kit, either be prepared to endure countless headaches and hrs working on ur car as well as making sure u r reasonably skillful on workin on cars as well as being prepared to make and use wrenches that are smaller than ur finger then its well worth to pay the 1.5-2k to have it installed. Which yes will boost the price of getting turbo for a Z......i mean common now guys this isnt a honda, a supra or many cars for that matter.

 

What's the difficulty in doing a self-install? If a shop hasn't done one before (on the Z) and you're mechanically inclined, I'd think you'd be better off doing it yourself. How much time would it take for an install?

 

I really doubt you can make a turbo kit in the price range of Greddy with all of the parts Greddy kit produce and expect to compete with the Greddy brand recognition and popularity on sales. But why don't you consider in making a better kit. Since you say you do have the skills and connection. Why not make a major baller kit?

Make a kit uses HKS GT 2835 BB, Blitz KKK or Apexi IHI turbos etc.
Make a kit uses Stainless Steel manifolds
Make a kit with bigger intercooler that keep the front reenfocement bar.

I don't know, that is just a few suggestions, you make a high end kit, people will come to you. If people are on a budget for building a FI kit, they will probably look into the Vortech SC. Which cost less in kit and also a lot less in installation.

Just my opion

Jeff

 

Well orginally i've worked on hondas for a couple of yrs now, and of course i now learn the difference in working on my Z now rather than my honda. I'm not sayin its impossible i'm not sayin its easy either just IMO since i've worked on hondas a lot it was definitely a lot more work especially b/c it was turbo. The only real complaint i have about the install was that the manifolds,turbos,downpipes,wastegates,and exhaust manifolds were again IMO hard to fit in there the fit is nearly PERFECT!, again making sure all ur friends are and urself are very experienced in working on cars nearly perfect fit well the problem with that is u really dont want to strip bolts here and we were not about to do 500$ install job on my car so just fitting the bolts on the pieces and mount it together was a bit of a challenge making sure when u finally tighten all bolts u dont strip anything. I mean maybe it wasnt as diffcult for others but it was atleast time consuming for us especially considering about 70% of the install is under the car. Then the next challenge was tightening those bolts which again IMO was difficult. My friend and I who took care of bolting and tighening all those parts came out with various cuts but of course working on cars u always get hurt, but its the fact that we just got NUMEROUS cuts just tryin to shove are hands and arms places where larger hands dont belong and then tryin to tighten a bolt on the back of something again that we cant see, and again with a wrench that we cut more then half of it off just to fit it in the area with our large hands. Given the fact that 30% of the bolts were in such situations. I mean i'll stop at that i'm not tryin to whine or anything i didnt intend to untill you asked. I mean i do agree though ur better off doing it yourself if u can i'm glad we did both b/c i saved money and i am trustworthy of the quality of our install. Its just when people talk about this 11K for turbo with install well duh if u cant install it urself BE PREPARED TO PAY THE $. Cuz i mean u cant compare a 4K kit this go off and compare a 11K kit with install! i mean its not a proper compaision. cuz if u want to compare the 4k kit to the other kit with install then u better throw on another 2k to alteast make the comparison proper instead of making it look like ohh wow thats a good price which it would be for the kit but thats besides the point

 

Thanks for the response. I was just looking to see if it's possible to do the install without taking it to a shop. If I were to get a TT kit, I'm sure I can find a good deal on one somewhere. Some guy had a Greddy w/ IC for $5,500 in the classified section a little while ago. I'm going to let my ignorance shine here and just ask, but can one take out the engine and install the TT kit and reinstall the engine? I think I heard somewhere that the Z engine is taken out from underneath so I don't know if it would actually be harder than leaving it in for the install. Thanks in advance.

 

The engine comes out from the top, but it's fairly easy to do. I took Michaels out because I wanted to do the oil return lines at the top of the pan like they're supposed to be, not into the bottom. The top half won't come off without pulling the motor. I think i'd try to install the greddy kit with the motor in if at all possible. It's more work to pull it and reinstall it than it is to fight with a few bolts while it's in the car.

 

Awesome. I had originally planned on a single turbo kit but it looks like it will be hard to fit in there. A single I can definantely do for around $4k. Not sure on the twin. Maybe in the mid 4's but it'd be much less profitable. But if you say they have already done a T56 on a G35. I'd be interested to look into it. Single turbo has allways been my preferance but I come from Supras.

My original figures were a bit off on the TT kit. I still think I could pull it off in the $4k but I'm going to talk to the fabricator about a single kit maybe. It'd be cheaper and less parts to go wrong.

Jeff- Thanks for the input I will consider it if the market for a budget kit is not out there.

Pinoy4065- Also appreciate the input and your time.

Nismokid- As I said I could probably make it happen. I'll be talking to my fabricator about this on Monday. Any Z's/G35's in the North Dakota area that want to let us use their car for basing the kit off of? I have a few Z friends in OK but it'd be a PITA to take it to my fabricator in ND.

Sounds like there is a market for it. Lets see where this goes.

 

Let's compare apples to apples though...

what kind of turbo, what kind of wastegates, what material for the manifolds? with injectors, with an engine management system? With an intercooler?

does it come with oil lines, hardware, etc etc.

When you start to add it up, a kit from Greddy, even though it has a margin built into it (as does your kit), is not overly proced for the level of equipment it comes with, and the amount of R&D that went into the kit.

Building a kit for a Supra (inline 6) is a far cry from building on for a V6 engine.

Can it be done? Sure - if I were doing it on my own car I could.

 

If it's a twin turbo I'm not sure what turbos I will use yet. If it's a single turbo I will probably offer optional ones but offer a TE44 as the base. It's capable of 500hp and hits full boost at 3,200rpm. Wastegates would be tial 38mm. Probably will use cast-steel for the manifolds like we do now. I will offer a kit at a lower price without the injectors, fuel management, etc. And also offer a complete one. Basically just getting a rough draft of different ideas right now and seeing how we can do this.

I realize the Supra inline 6 is much easier then the 350Z. But I hope all goes well and we can do this.

 

Surely you are aware that turbo spool is influenced by MANY things, not just turbo size, right? If you haven't done that turbo on a Z, then don't say where it will spool...

 

Whoops

It's capable of 500hp.

It hits full boost at 3,200rpm on a Supra***

I'll admit that I am very new to the 350Z and don't know much about them. But I know turbo spool is influenced by many different things and isn't the same on every car.

Thanks for the heads up though.

 

A person who is going to spend 4k-4.5 would problaby go ahead and spend 5.8k for the greddy w/intercooler(what I spent). Its name and rep, not to mention warranty, alone would make people choose the greddy over yours. I am not saying your not a straight up guy, but I don't know you from dirt. So why would I give a you(nonturbo) 4500 when I know nothing about your product. good luck though but I think you will find that your cost alone will put you on top of 4.5k As for offering a kit without injectors and fuel computer, I could call hks for the manifold and downpipe to fit there gerrett turbos. they already have some build last I talk to them and I could build my own custom setup. Its not hard but I think when I price it to build one for myself it just came out cheaper for me to buy the greddy kit.

 

Hey Tony1 well i might beg to differ about pulling the motor i think IMO after installing the turbo we kinda thought it would be easier to pull the motor despite the many extra steps, b/c it wasnt just a few bolts to struggle with it was a lot as well as it wasnt just the bolts to struggle with. And i mean we did are best which was pretty good to tighten it all. But i would kind of like better piece of mind that everything is really tight and torqued well as well as u get to work on the motor on a stand not under the car for over 3 days(NOT FUN) but thats just my opinion and what we might try next time. And cuz i mean while ur at it, it would be a good idea to change the clutch anyways, and maybe some pulleys all of which will be easier if u pull the motor

 

I agree, if you're gonna change the clutch, then you're halfway there as far as pulling the motor goes. Either way, it's a *****, there's no getting around that!

 

Good point and I appreciate the input. Like I said I am just seeing if the market for it is out there. If I can offer one for $4k with everything the GReddy includes and it will be tested before it is sold. Then it could save people $1.8k as opposed to the cost of GReddy. Over 40 people are running the kit I offer for the n/a Supra and I haven't had any problems or negative responses yet from them. GReddy in my opinion is a great company but some people wouldn't mind saving $1.8k

I could offer a kit for around $1.6k single turbo and $2.5-2.8k twin turbo with just manifold(s), turbo(s), wastegate(s), dumpipe(s), and downpipe(s). Maybe for somebody who wants to piece there kit together?

I'd appreciate any input from anybody. Wether it's positive or negative I am just wanting to see what the demand is basically.

 

i sent u a PM nonturbo.....

 

All PM's replied to. For those wanting to volunteer there car. Make sure you are in the North Dakota area or are around there. However I will let you know by around Friday if we are about ready to start the turbo kits.

 

Well, as for the suggestion for a big balla kit, if someone wants that kind of kit, they won't buy it like this. It will be a one of a kind kit with standalone and everything.

There is a market for an inexpensive turbo kit, especially a single kit.

 

Completely agree with you. If I was going to spend alot of money for a baller kit, I'd most likely get something name brand. I am 99% sure the kit will be single if we proceed with it

Remember we still need a test car so PM me if you are interested about helping out. It would be a nice experience to also see how turbo kits are fabricated. If you are in the North Dakota area or are willing to travel to the North Dakota area, we would appreciate it.

 

I would buy it