Let him get what he wants.

 

I own a G and I would never get it in AT. It is a luxury sports car. I don't know why people who won't own one say it's not. It's neither all out luxury or all out sports. I think it has a happy medium. Anyway, let your friend get what he wants. I know everybody who go the AT and a turbo kit regrets it wishes they got the 6MT. If I could take it back and buy another one I would get the 6mt again. No doubt about it. To each his own though. That's just my opinion which means nothing to somebody else's preference. So again, I agree with everybody else who says to let your friend pick what he wants.

 

I own a G, and I don't consider it a sports car...it's a sports coupe...when I had my Z, now that was a sports car. Sports coupes are not tuned as aggressive as sports cars. Sports coupes are usually more refined and luxurious, and more comfortable, whereas sports cars are tuned more for the handling and speed and typically stripped of refinement and luxury. People say the Z looks cheap inside with plastic and stuff. I liked that about the Z, I like it that it's all stripped out just to make it a simple street version of a race car. People complain that it's noisy, of course it's gonna be noisy, it's not meant to be a car to cruise in, it's meant to be driven...driven aggressively and hard. Sports car are designed with two things in mind, speed and handling. Sports coupes are designed as an everyday car that is sporty.

And then you get the sports cars that are expensive and they come with all the luxury features, yet they're still rough as hell, ie: Porsches, Corvette, Viper. And then you get into the exotics.....

 

the problem here is the very definition of sports car is a subjective one.

to some people- if it doesnt have amenities and is tuned agressively, its a sports car.

to others, they look for more specific things and stats

yet others may have a classic or absolute definition eg open top rwd light weight.

regardless for some reason the ignorance here continues to surprise me.. but it shouldnt, many are not car enthusiasts... its obvious from those believing that the Z is a sports car on an absolute basis (and that the G is far from it), or those that cannot spell infiniti, or from those who are unaware of the engineering that goes into the cars. i could go on but i wont here.

getting back to the OP- let your friend do what he wants. the last thing you want to do is convince him to get something he will not enjoy. you've put in your vote- with as much weight as you can. at this point, if he still wants auto let him do that. if it ends up being a mistake you will get all the more credit in the future.

 

Opps, sorry. I think I just walked in to the Ronald McDonald room. Very interesting discussion. I'm sure you all will resolve it.

 

I somewhat agree with your first point about defining a sports car.

But the fact is, the vehicle is considered a sports car when its marketed as a sports car.

Nissan has marketed the 350Z as a "pure" sports car, whereas Nissan has marketed the G35 as a Luxury sports car (Coupe/Sedan).

Therefore, everywhere you look into these vehicles, they are under these classifications.

To you, these vehicles might not fall into what you believe is "sports car on absolute basis" (350Z) and "luxury sports car" (G35). But the simple fact is, thats the way they are marketed. And the majority seem to agree with it.

And to the OP, as everyone has said, let him get an auto if it suits him. As for me, im enjoying every bit of my MT.

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I think we should all go to Jack In the Box and get some of the dipping sauce and see if any of you married guys can get away using the excuse "It's was my receptionist Jessica"...OP pick up the tab!

 

could agreed more!!

 

I learned how to drive an manual on a civic 1 week before purchasing my 03 6MT coupe. I thought, hey, this is pretty easy, no problem!!!!
I didn't even test drive the coupe, I just bought it.
I stalled about 6 times on the way home scaring the crap out of my girlfriend who was with me at the time and I got very familiar with how what a clutch smells like.
It's not exactly the most forgiving clutch and is pretty stiff for a newbie. I would think your friend should practice on a car for about at least a month before getting a 6MT.

 

I feel ya. My buddy just bought an .....(CRINGES)....Auto 350z. I was like Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If you think he will regret it, then teach him how to drive a manual in your car. Let him get a little spirited, then he will see how much more fun it is to drive a 6mt. Hopefully that will deter him from the auto.

 

 

let him know the power differences as well as FD ratio differences and if I'm not mistaken the 5AT in the past was a non-revup motor w/ different power and tq curves as opposed to the newer rev-up motor that has some estimated 20% of differences.

6MT ftw!

 

Sports coupe vs. Sports car?

Where did you decide to make this up?

A coupe is defined as a car with 2 doors just as a sedan is defined as a car with 4 doors.

Under correct definition sports coupe = sports car w/ 2 doors.
webster defines coupe as : "a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons; also : one with a tight-spaced rear seat"

I think you've made up terminology in your head as it is NOT industry standard in definition

Nevertheless that's not the point of the thread.
Tell him to get the 6MT b/c it's just so much more fun to drive on this sports car w/ 2 doors (sports coupe)

 

Let your buddy do what he wants!!! If he has never driven 6mt this is NOT the time to learn. I came from a 5spd VR-4 and for some reason I felt the 6mt in the Z had a learning curve and I had driven nothing but mt cars my whole life. Don't force it on him. My fiance is trading in the 05 mustang for a G35 and she is going to get an AT. Why? because she wants to. She knows how to drive MT but she wants a luxury car with sports car appeal. As for myself, if I was buying a G, I would get MT just out of personal preference.

As for this stupid *** arguement about sports car vs sports coupe...

Get a fn life guys, seriously.

The G drivers want their car to be something its not and so do the Z drivers. I see G guys stripping the cars down and installing turbo kits and the Z guys applying all sorts of leather and customized luxury interiors. But isn't wanting your car to be something its not the basis behind modding???

 

Do you believe everything that the manufacturers say or advertise....??
If G35 has the "Luxury" features and is a luxury sports class, the new Altima coupe must be "More-luxurious-than-G35" class? It sure as hell seems to have more gadgets than G35....
Another thing, why is the Z a "pure" sports car and a G not? I've driven both, I've seen both, I've beaten both, and I've been beaten by both. (btw, i have a g35 coupe 6mt)
Just because they're marketed as something doesn't mean they are, or they're not. If Bill Gates advertised, "It's the best Windows version yet! Enhanced security, stability, compatibility, hardware support, blah blah" you must believe every word..? I'm sure your mother told you that baby is born when adults sleep together with their hands held tight... yeah?
Ok.. let's not go there. Anyways... "marketed" is the key word. Marketing something has one primary purpose to it. It's not meant to give you facts about the item being marketed. It's not meant to explain why a car is called a car or why you'd want to stay away from their cars, or why they're full of sh*t and will do just about anything to increase their sales. It's purpose is to SELL. A LOT. Why? MONEY. Infiniti dealership will say Nissan cars are crap. Nissan service is crap and theirs is better than Mercedes Benz. Yeah? I tell them that if they didn't work there, that might actually become a possibilty.
Hyundai claims "track tuned blah blah". Was it tuned to race against 6 year old go-karts.. and lose..?
I hope you get my point here. To me, my G35 coupe's interior is just as "cheap looking" as any of the 350Zs out there. It does not look "luxury", it does not feel "luxury", and hell no it is not a "luxury"~ish car. If it is, 350z is just as luxury. Performance...? How much more "pure" race cars? Can you please tell me why the Z is such a "pure" sports car over a G? With real facts provided..? Not the kind of facts you referred to. "They said, they agreed" are NOT facts.

In my opinion, they are near identical cars with differences being very minor. The biggest difference I think is having the rear seats or not and being topless or not. Do you believe that the G35 coupe is a "pure" sports type car whereas the G35 sedan is a luxury family car? According to your beliefs, they sure should be.
Oh man, I can't wait to check out the new tiburon... "track-tuned"... Oh boy, am I EXCITED! I don't remember my G saying anything about "track-tuned". It was only "sport-tuned". I better get my helmet ready and schedule a test drive.... wait a minute, do I need to have a qualified F1 license first..? Anyone know..?

Oh and to the OP: I'd like to suggest the 6MT but if everybody liked the same things, the world would be a very boring world. If you're into manual tranny, great man. So am I. If your friend's fantasy is in the land of A/T, then great. Let him enjoy his new car that HE wanted. If he regets on the decision, oh well. That's how human beings learn. Through mistakes. I don't think it's right for anyone to talk anyone out of something because of their assumptions or interests. The best you can do is help him make a better choice for himself by teaching him how to drive a manual car, then go into a dealership with him to have him test drive a 6MT Z. Then, you can tell him some opinions, pros&cons, etc on both types and give him his space to make a good decision. If he still gets the A/T and regrets, hey it's not the end of the world for him. Certainly shouldn't cause ANY problems for you, unless YOU wanted to drive his car. But hey, at least you get to laugh at him everyday for not listening to you, right?

 

definitely if he is not going to be sitting in traffic he should get a 6mt G. It's so much more fun to drive than the tiptronic automatic.

 

Thanks for restating what I had previously said?

Just incase you missed the key word, I stated "the vehicle is considered a sports car when its marketed as a sports car" .Ofcourse the car has to have "sporty characteristics" in order to be marketed in such way. Whether or not the person considers it what its marketed to be... its all on the eyes of the customer.

Many of your points are just off. You used an example of the Altima being more luxurios because its more modern with gadgets and other things as an example. You clearly do not understand the concept of luxury.

In that case, any new car such as a Scion TC would be considered much more luxurious than a 1999 BMW M3. It has a ton more gadgets and looks much more modern. But that clearly does not make a car "luxurious".

And like I said, the Z is considered a "pure" sports car because it is marketed as a dedicated sports car, whereas the G35 is marketed as a "luxury sports car" with a sporty characteristics.

And about the G35 Sedan; its MARKETED as a luxury Sport Sedan just as the BMW 3-series line up.

Get my point?

Keyword: Marketing...

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^ stupid argument leading to no solid conclusions except two individuals enjoying the sound of their own voice (or look of their own text).

you two have way too much time.

 

you can't talk sense into your friend if he won't listen