Does the Cosworth plenum give any gains for N/A?
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
I'm thinking Volk CE28's in mag blue to offset my Endless BBK, some GT spec stuff, and hopefully the HKS GT supercharger when it is released
I might also get a pair of Mine's new mettalic 200 cell HFC, as my PE ones are 400 cell to get a little mo flow.
Tony, what do you think about the minor issue with the endcap?
Can you recommend a good epoxy for the weave that would withstand the intake plenum temps? The one that I bought only says it is good to 120F.
I might also get a pair of Mine's new mettalic 200 cell HFC, as my PE ones are 400 cell to get a little mo flow.Tony, what do you think about the minor issue with the endcap?
Can you recommend a good epoxy for the weave that would withstand the intake plenum temps? The one that I bought only says it is good to 120F.
Super job on the pictures... They showed things that I hadn't noticed in the other pictures posted... First time I've seen pictures of the bottom, too. I'm glad you posted them.
Good choice on the CE28N's... of course I'm a bit prejudiced.
Good choice on the CE28N's... of course I'm a bit prejudiced.
Originally Posted by go-fast
buy a small fiberglass repair kit and just use the resin.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...ductId=1414939
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Tony, what do you think about the minor issue with the endcap?
Can you recommend a good epoxy for the weave that would withstand the intake plenum temps? The one that I bought only says it is good to 120F.
Can you recommend a good epoxy for the weave that would withstand the intake plenum temps? The one that I bought only says it is good to 120F.
Its a little hard to say in your case. It may or may not become an issue. And if you modify them it "may" void the warranty. Ask Cosworth first.
For epoxy information, visit http://www.mcmaster.com/
Enter "Epoxy" in the product finder or enter "3314" in the catalog page finder for descriptions of the various epoxies and applications.
Anything you use will be regularly exposed to soakback temperatures of ~170'F about 5 minutes after you park the car after a drive across town.
So any epoxy has to be good to at least 170'F.
If you use any epoxy, I suggest a putty. Most putties will take the temperature, are easily formed, won't sag and are sandable.
Originally Posted by gothchick
Nice pics. Thx for sharing. Are you planning to go FI? Was currious why you bought the cosworth plenum?
Originally Posted by Hydrazine
Eagletanggreen also had the same issue with the end caps leaking when he did his dyno testing against the MREV2. He simply sent the caps back for replacements.
Its a little hard to say in your case. It may or may not become an issue. And if you modify them it "may" void the warranty. Ask Cosworth first.
For epoxy information, visit http://www.mcmaster.com/
Enter "Epoxy" in the product finder or enter "3314" in the catalog page finder for descriptions of the various epoxies and applications.
Anything you use will be regularly exposed to soakback temperatures of ~170'F about 5 minutes after you park the car after a drive across town.
So any epoxy has to be good to at least 170'F.
If you use any epoxy, I suggest a putty. Most putties will take the temperature, are easily formed, won't sag and are sandable.
Its a little hard to say in your case. It may or may not become an issue. And if you modify them it "may" void the warranty. Ask Cosworth first.
For epoxy information, visit http://www.mcmaster.com/
Enter "Epoxy" in the product finder or enter "3314" in the catalog page finder for descriptions of the various epoxies and applications.
Anything you use will be regularly exposed to soakback temperatures of ~170'F about 5 minutes after you park the car after a drive across town.
So any epoxy has to be good to at least 170'F.
If you use any epoxy, I suggest a putty. Most putties will take the temperature, are easily formed, won't sag and are sandable.
Cosworth was sent the pictures and they were of the opinion that it would not affect the seal. They did however, offer replacements for my peace of mind if I so choose. What do you think? I'm not sure exactly what problems eagletang had with his endcaps, but I'm hoping this is just something cosmetic and small and easily fixable, but I am being cautious nonetheless.
Last edited by jonnylaw; Feb 5, 2008 at 08:47 AM.
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Thanks for the reply Tony,
Cosworth was sent the pictures and they were of the opinion that it would not affect the seal. They did however, offer replacements for my peace of mind if I so choose. What do you think? I'm not sure exactly what problems eagletang had with his endcaps, but I'm hoping this is just something cosmetic and small and easily fixable, but I am being cautious nonetheless.
Cosworth was sent the pictures and they were of the opinion that it would not affect the seal. They did however, offer replacements for my peace of mind if I so choose. What do you think? I'm not sure exactly what problems eagletang had with his endcaps, but I'm hoping this is just something cosmetic and small and easily fixable, but I am being cautious nonetheless.
After some carfeful thought and looking it over with my tech, we decided to not bother with anything--could grind it away a little bit, but don't think any resin will be used as the seal is likely to be unaffected. Cosworth does stand behind its product though, so I am proceeding with install and the dyno and will hope for the best.
btw, the end caps are REALLY thick and should hold boost no problem if sealed correctly--there must be like 30 layers of cf put together
btw, the end caps are REALLY thick and should hold boost no problem if sealed correctly--there must be like 30 layers of cf put together
Originally Posted by go-fast
looks like an easy fix,DO NOT use epoxy it will flake and be ingested.fiberglass resin is the same as carbon fiber resin and on some level will fuse/meld to the existing resin,they will become one instead of something sticking to something else.summary......resin good......epoxy bad.
Carbonfiber is more typically used with epoxy or polyester.
I will be picking up my car tomorrow with the Cosworth plenum installed, I might be able to make it to the dyno by the end of the week, but we just got hit with 12 inches of snow and 8 more is coming.
I should have some installed pics tomorrow.
I should have some installed pics tomorrow.
Originally Posted by go-fast
looks like an easy fix,DO NOT use epoxy it will flake and be ingested.fiberglass resin is the same as carbon fiber resin and on some level will fuse/meld to the existing resin,they will become one instead of something sticking to something else.summary......resin good......epoxy bad.
I wouldnt worry about it. You should be fine.
Originally Posted by mx594
Thats just flat out RIGHT. There is more than one type of resin commonly used in composites, including polyester, vinyl-ester and epoxy. High strength composite parts are made with "epoxy" resins. Saying that resin=good and epoxy=bad makes PERFECT sense.
I wouldnt worry about it. You should be fine.
I wouldnt worry about it. You should be fine.
Originally Posted by go-fast
you need to re-read,hydrazine said epoxy NOT epoxy resin which if you know is very different.
Epoxy can be called a glue, coating, adhesive, resin or a polymer but its still the same amine based chemical compound.
To say that "epoxy" doesn't bond well with "resin" depends on what kind of resin it is. A "resin" can be or imply just about anything.
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
I will be picking up my car tomorrow with the Cosworth plenum installed, I might be able to make it to the dyno by the end of the week, but we just got hit with 12 inches of snow and 8 more is coming.
I should have some installed pics tomorrow.
I should have some installed pics tomorrow.
Originally Posted by go-fast
you need to re-read,hydrazine said epoxy NOT epoxy resin which if you know is very different. resins- polyester and epoxy are used conjunction,therefore they are compatible.polytester is often used for gel coat due to the fact epoxy resin turns chalky when exposed to ultra-violet(sunlight).since these caps appear very cosmetic i would assume polyester was used,if not both.....a bit of info for ya,but you only really need to concentrate on the first sentence.
Originally Posted by Hydrazine
Epoxy and epoxy resin are the same. Regardless of name or application.
Epoxy can be called a glue, coating, adhesive, resin or a polymer but its still the same amine based chemical compound.
To say that "epoxy" doesn't bond well with "resin" depends on what kind of resin it is. A "resin" can be or imply just about anything.
Epoxy can be called a glue, coating, adhesive, resin or a polymer but its still the same amine based chemical compound.
To say that "epoxy" doesn't bond well with "resin" depends on what kind of resin it is. A "resin" can be or imply just about anything.
Originally Posted by mx594
Yes, lots of sunlight under the hood. So why wouldnt he want to use epoxy to fix the inside, non visible portion of the cap, which sees absolutely no sunlight? Because epoxy doesn't stick to epoxy right? 
Originally Posted by go-fast
epoxy and epoxy resin are not the same,you posted bad info and are just trying to backpeddle.if you acually had any good advice it would not be generic epoxy from mcmaster.next time you feel like making things up at least offer good reference.www.fgci.com
You said:
fiberglass resin is the same as carbon fiber resin and on some level will fuse/meld to the existing resin,they will become one instead of something sticking to something else.summary......resin good......epoxy bad.
Fiberglass is most commonly used with polystyrene resin. And it would be correct to say that epoxy will not bond well to polystyrene resin. The converse is also true. Fiberglass resin will not adhere well to epoxy.
The compatibility of epoxy with a "resin" depends on the type of resin being used. And there are many different kinds of resins. Carbonfiber is typically epoxy or polyester based. Polystyrene resin is almost never used with carbonfiber.
Compatibility is dependant on the chemistry of the resin(s) being used.
But for you to say "Epoxy resin is not epoxy" is entirely incorrect.
To say epoxy won't react or molecularly bond or fuse with epoxy resin would also be incorrect. They will indeed molecularly bond and become one large macro molecule.
Do you have a background in Chemistry, composites or polymers?



