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Good, I'm glad you're enjoying your "Zzzz" with "zzzippo problems".

Hey, you know what, you should have put in a few more "zzzzzzzzs", that way your car and You would have been so much cooler (the more "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z", the cooler you seem

Have fun driving you Z. I wish I had one too, but I have a big house payment to make each month. I am poor and cannot afford the measley 30Gs you've so wisely spent...

 

Gasp! I've been Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-ed! LOL!

 

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I don't really care what price it is (a billion-billion dollars or one dollar); it has problems that I cannot live with at this time. The loss is not mine, it is Nissan's. The yearly revenues results will show that I'm guessing. The car may be selling well in certain areas, but not so overall. Again, the loss is not mine.

I am not obsessed with this car or any other car, at any price. Sorry, but I don't get star struck nor do I lay down hard earned money just because it looks "cool". Don't get me wrong (too late I guess), I want to car because it does look favorable, but I'm not bowled over by just the look. To me, the guts have to be up to par. The interior is, well, you know how it is... Something more to be desired.

You say, "good luck finding a car as good as the 350Z". I believe the Toyota Supra (MAY) prove to be the case. I don't know, but I'm patient and going to wait and see. Too late to get the 350Z this late in the year and enjoy it for any extensive amount of time.

... ENOUGH SAID...

 

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Yes, I am on a few other forums and will continue to be on this one as well as the some of the other ones. I do however like this one the best so far.

As for other cars having problems, you are absolutely correct. (this is what I mean by constructive interaction).

As for making a desision to buy a Z or any other car, I have always tried to make a concerted effort to do as much research as possible and then ultimately at some point take a leap of faith and buy the car.

So far, Nissan overall has proven to be fairly reliable, but if I'm going to buy the Z or any other car similar to it (C6-Z06 / '04-'05 Supra / Porsche Boxter), I am eventually going to have to make that so called leap, but right now the Z is just not getting me any where close to making that decision to buy.

thanks for your input - it was constructive...

 

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Being that the cars you mention are so reliable (they really are), would one come to the conclusion that people just simply like to complain? Is that what is going on in this forum then???

 

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if you like

 

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ba byeeeeeee

 

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Because it brings out the retards in full force...

 

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I do intend to make my own decision. I don't let others do it for me, or am I easily swayed by the looks of this car or any other car or thing for that matter. And as for the other posts being "dead on", I would contend that. Most, if not all (a good estimation) on this forum are of course Z owners or are going to be soon or just looking to see what happen in the "world of the Z", but a lot of people are upset with some of my initial comments, which I tried to keep clean and wanted some constructive feedback. What I got back was the typical loose lip jackass responses I knew I was probably going to get. Yup, the retards came out of the wood work. So no, I beg differ that "most of the rest of the replies are dead on". I don't completely disagreee with you completely, some are simply straight forward responses, and NOT the typical lynch mod attitude, such as yours.

 

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Here's a list someone else started ( a good thing ) -
1. Streaks on windows
2. Rattles in both sunvisors and rear view mirror
3. Standing water in door jamb and trunk, water gets past door seals, under kickplates, rubber seal on hatch fits poorly, kickplates warping up(water under them?)
4. Orange peel in paint
5. A) Driver's seat shifts during cornering, B) Clunking sound from driver's seat
6. Manual Transmission hard to shift, some grinding
7. Rattle in rear strut brace
8. Rattle in driver door, one owner says its the red reflector
9. Center console lid sticks
10. Excessive road noise, rocks hitting wheel wells in rear
11. Fogged lights early and after washing, condensation under lights
12. Dash rattles, both left and right
13. Creaking in suspension
14. High pitched noise when engine running(member says he's traced it to the fuel pump)
15. Cold start rattle from AT engine area(mine) it has not repeated the rattle since, cold start rattle from 6MT, Check service light comes on for his
16. Rattles in rear bumper
17. Hard to open gas cap, one failure to function button release
18. Rust on wheel
And, the following are one problem identified by 1 owner.
19. NAV too loud, even on lowest setting.
20. Dome light out, dealer says come back next week, no repair available yet.
21. Black paint very poor
22. Plastic scratches easily behind seat belts
23. Brakes squealing on Brembos
24. Rear washer nozzle leaks
25. Turn signal won't cancel
26. Front bumper chips easily
27. Rattles from front console
28. Idle drops/ car runs rough when some accessories are used
29. Trim piece on driver's seat coming apart, dealer has ordered material for repair
30. Bose CD player skips constantly on owner's car. The radio continues to raise and lower the volume at random. Mine and many others
Created by Boomer. (everyone say thank you Boomer!)
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Nice "little" list.

 

hypercore,

I must be lucky because my car (VIN 7518) has two issues, and none of the others:

- window streaks on both windows
- porpoising suspension

The porpoising is what I hate about the car, and it has done it since I got it.

What the issue is with the Z is the way it handles concrete roads that have been through a midwestern winter.

The car porpoises and bounces around like an old pickup truck. These are roads that all other sports cars handle with no issues. Everyone who has been in my car when I went over these roads has asked if something was wrong with the car. I just shrug and tell them to let me know if they start getting carsick!!!

The G35 Coupe doesn't exhibit this because it has a longer wheelbase, different tires, possibly some suspension differences.

The current correction for the Z porpoising problem seems to be replacing the springs or the whole suspension. So, Nissan will eventually correct it on the production models, but probably not compensate us who took a leap of faith the car would be an excellent performer when new. So, I have to shell out anywhere from $300-$1500 to have a part of the car fixed that should have been "right" before it was released.

I HIGHLY suggest finding concrete roads near a dealer (expressways are the best) and test drive there. If the car doesn't do this then you're probably good to go.

Yes, I understand it is a first year car, but this just seems like an obvious problem that should have been found before production, just like the window streaks.

I don't recommend the car to anyone who has to drive on our roads (IL interstates)

 

Theres a difference between a car with problems and getting Nissan to fix them and a car with problems that NIssan will not fix. I don't blame him for not wanting this car, and I wouldn't recommend the car until NIssan fixes the problems(Feathering, suspension bounce) and acknowlegdes it even has a problem. What I would ask is to let your nissan Know why your not buying there product, maybe it'll get them to fix them.. Until then, I wish now i wouldn't of bought this car.

 

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Thanks for bringing this up. I did not notice it when I test drove the Z. I am sure I will make a mental note of trying to see if it does have any issues as you point out.

 

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Believe me I want this car (Z). I have considered the G35 Coupe, but have not test driven one or gotten a very close look at it. I think the G35-C is also very beautiful, but what bothers me is that its a little toned down (horse power), but is probably a better build car (I'm speculating); it does afterall have a better warranty - what does that say about the G35 Coupe to you? To me, it says they have a little more faith in what Infiniti is selling. Or perhaps Infiniti knows that the G35 Coupe is going to be bought by a slightly older crowd and will probably not beat the snot out of it... its about about probabilities / statistics. Whereas the Z is more likely to be bought by younger crowd (again, I'm just surmising) and is "more" likely to be put through the cycles than say the G35-C. Who knows?

All I know is the Z is looks awesome. I do want one, but I'm a bit of a perfectionist, but not so much that I would expect the car to be absolutely "perfect". It is mechanical, and being an engineer, know that it will never be just PERFECT. A car is far too complex to ever have it just perfect. I might eat those words. Just saw on Motorweek (Sat. afternoon) the Rols Royce Phantom!!! Wow!!! - 250,000 english pounds (something like $350,000). Probably as close to perfection as you are going to get.

Perhaps in the past 4 to 7 years (perhaps longer), Nissan's deisgn / production quality leaves something to be desired. I have plenty of friends that also own Nissans that would concur, and they are as much Nissan / Maxima fans as I am.

Generally, I am quite happy with the Nissan products (Maximas - 3 of them so far - first gen., 4h gen., 5th gen.). It is still a great product? I think so, but for the same price, or perhaps a little more, an Acura 3.2TL (friend has one), is a far better build-quality (IMO). If I were in the market for my next 4dr. sports sedan, and couldn't decide, I may seriously consdier the 3.2TL. Nice car. But, I still love Maximas for its beauty (the '04 is good and bad and ugly all at the same time).

But this is about the Z - I fully realize that for the first year production, it will have some issues, some annoying, some irritating, and some that are somewhat to very serious (transmission/tranny, clutch, etc...).

Once these problems go away for the most part, I am in. I am hoping the '04 will put rest to my quandry.

Thanks for your constructive input...

 

I'm going to make a few assumptions here; I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong:

First, all the name calling in your post was not directed at me personally. If sincerely hope I am not mistaken on this.

Second, you have an genuine desire to discuss your decision at length with members of this board. I'm basing this on the number and length of your posts in this thread.

Third, you are not a troll. Typically new members that are serious about deciding on a car don't go to a forum and start such inflammatory threads. For now I'll just assume you were in a bad mood.

And finally, something about my post struck a chord (albeit negatively) and you wish to discuss this further.

If you can confirm these assumptions I will be happy to follow up with a reply.

 

The G35 coupe is definitely very sweet, though I still don't know how easy it is to get a MT. A colleague here at the office has one which I've driven.

The engine is only 7hp less, so that's not really too toned down, but the car is probably a bit heavier being that it's a 2+2.

The interior is definitely more upscale than the 350Z which is to be expected since Infiniti is the up market Nissan brand, with features like dual zone climate control.

However, hands down the 350Z is more fun to drive, it is more of the raw sports car. If you're looking for a fun weekend car then you might be more inclined towards the Z instead of the more luxurious G35 which is a more comfortable every day driver.

That said, I'm continually impressed by how comfortable and well fitting the seats are in the Z, and this is just personal preference, but I wanted a more spartan interior in my next car when I was looking, because I really wanted a car that felt fun to drive, and had that "true" sports car attitude.

Good luck in your purchase choice.

 

And you say you're an engineer? Attacking other's comments with retorts like this makes me wonder how educated you really are.

 

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I don't know you, and you don't know me. But I can tell you that people, whether they are scientists, engineers, doctors, lawyers, white collar worker, blue collar worker, house wife, house-husband, independently wealthy, whatever, are still human beings and will react pretty much the same when pushed. Don't associate education with 1 million years of genetic engineering.

As for my "retort", it was exact and appropriate for those it applies to... they know who they are. I do not want to have any extended conversation with them, as they have nothing serious to offer, only puerile stupidity.

My intent was to have a discussion about the serious and not so serious problems the Z is having and the decision one goes through in buying a car, any car, let alone a car like the Z. I personally don't make such decisions easily, and was hoping the conversation would be straight forward without the typical jackass (well, there he goes again using bad language, and he calls himself an engineer... how dare he) coming and taking a quick shot. So be it... I can come down or go up to whatever level is appropriate... I likkeee it

 

All I know is that the 350Z is the first car that I want to get another one of. It's so much damned fun to drive!

 

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You are correct in all your assumptions: I will go through them one by one -

No, the name calling or whatever it was that I wrote (around 1 in the morning - well past my bed time nowadays) it was not directed towards you. Certainly not!!!

You are correct in stating that I would like a serious discussion. I did not, and do not, want to offend those that already have a Z. Its a great car, and wish I had one, RIGHT NOW. But as I've stated in more ways than one, I simply do not make a decision to buy a car or even a $100 item without thinging 10 times about it. I am simply driving my wife crazy with all of this. She's all for it, but I'm the reluctant one, for a variety of reasons, other than just the problems the Z is having.

When I was replying to the posts, I was thinking that I'm probably just going to get kicked off this place, but I never let go without a response (call it a weakness). As for being in a bad mood, well, the wife says I'm prepetually in a bad mood Not really, but I like it better when I'm in a bad mood. Makes me happy (ha ha).

I haven't gone back to read what you wrote and not sure what exactly I wrote. Does it matter? Not really.

I can be civilized when someone is civilized with me. Be nice, I will be ten times nicer to you. Be a *****, and I'll show you what a ***** is (I don't mean you personally, I'm just "retorting aloud").

Anyway, yes, I would like a serious conversation/debate, etc.. That is what I wanted from the beginning. So lets discuss the matter at hand.

BTW: Your sig pic. Very colorful. What's going on in the picture? Indian?