Dear God my HR dep't sucks
Originally Posted by silverstripes
That seems to be the hardest part, finding that first job. I am half way through networking school and still cant find an entry level position.
True, There really is no such thing as an 'entry' level network position. You usually start in a setup or helpdesk type postion to get your foot in the door, thats what I did and learned more than any class in the first year ...way back when
HR FTL. I can connect you with some good recruiters in the NE if you are interested but you'll pay between 10-20% of first year salary for the search. When I was an IT/IS director I always had to resort to this. Too many BS resumes full of lies to deal with and I dealt with similar high consequence SLAs to chance it.
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Originally Posted by SargentZ
True, There really is no such thing as an 'entry' level network position. You usually start in a setup or helpdesk type postion to get your foot in the door, thats what I did and learned more than any class in the first year ...way back when 

Originally Posted by silverstripes
That seems to be the hardest part, finding that first job. I am half way through networking school and still cant find an entry level position.
- Junior didn't know **** help-desk technician helping secretaries with MS Word and fixing printer issues on a .gov contract.
- Junior sys-admin fresh out of MCSE school doing windows work for a dot-com (that eventually shut down without paying any of us our last months pay). This is where I did my first bit of networking and really got hooked on it.
- Junior network engineer at AT&T. They helped pay for my CCNP certification. Steepest learning curve on the planet. This job was worth it's weight in gold as far as experience. Also got lots of experience with Linux as a corporate support platform.
- Mid-level network engineer for Sun Microsystems doing contract support of other company's networks.
- Senior network engineer for a company that was purchased by my current employer (they were also a customer when I was at Sun).
This happened over a period of 10 years. Everytime I outgrew a position (which I worked my *** off to make sure happened), I jumped to a new gig and took substantial pay-raises in the process. If you're young, screw long term job stability in favor of challenging, difficult positions where your head hurts all the time because you're learning so much. Shoot for job changes every 2-3 years. If you can't learn everything there is to know about your job in that amount of time, you're not trying hard enough, or you're in one seriously dynamic environment.
ETA: And in fairness, I should disclose that I didn't get the help-desk job mentioned above until I was 25 because I spent 6 years riding around in helicopters for the Army right after HS. I still don't have a college degree (in fact I don't have a credit to my name). The path for college grads is probably different.
Last edited by kcobean; May 22, 2008 at 08:14 AM.
Originally Posted by SargentZ
Anything in the midwest? I'm looking and have 8 years hands-on with Cisco.
Originally Posted by yizhao
kcobean, what company is this?
Any mid level software engineering positions (3+ yrs)? j2EE (javaEE) stuff preferred.
Any mid level software engineering positions (3+ yrs)? j2EE (javaEE) stuff preferred.
Originally Posted by behjjeh
right now im Senior System Engineer but im looking for either network admin or eng position..
Originally Posted by kcobean
I really need someone who's had a couple of years beating on network gear.
I have been beating on networking gear for 20 years... Synoptics, Wellfleet, Bay Networks, 3Com, Crisco, Nortel, and poked a Juniper once or twice...
Gainfully employed though...
Originally Posted by bb1314
Do you guys also need software developer with 3+ years of experience?
Cisco routers/switches/load-balancers/firewalls, Netscreen firewalls and VPN technologies
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Sounds like a NOC position, VPN techologies such as what ??? Cisco Secure?? I deal alot with VPN stuff Active Directory. You are right though if you don't learn anything new then it's time for change.
BTW I have a clearence, just got my "favorable adjudication" papers.
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Sounds like a NOC position, VPN techologies such as what ??? Cisco Secure?? I deal alot with VPN stuff Active Directory. You are right though if you don't learn anything new then it's time for change.
BTW I have a clearence, just got my "favorable adjudication" papers.



