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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Right, because no one is ever between jobs, and i must be clearly in deep finical trouble having just pay my Z, my house, and my Fit off in the last 6 month . I am looking for a new job currently, wow..that's some argument for killing puppies

Your attempt to make some kind of point, and then condone animal murder is really working well.
When did I condone animal murder? Please tell me when... I am an animal lover. I have a pet, and am really close to adopting another.
Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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they should know better than to aim into a place with dogs running around.
Right, i'm sure than dog ran right into that marines hand and he was forced to throw it

Are humans more important than animals? I'd say, conditionaly, yes. Animal testing is important ect. Does that give us the right to extermenate them whenever we see fit for fun? No. And thats just what this d1ckhead did. He killed an animal for fun, something serial killers do as kids.

Thats the difference. I've gone hunting/fishing, killed my fair share of deer and duck, but i've never taken pleasure inflicting pain on a DOMESTICATED animal or any animal for that matter (even if deer are considered 'pests' in GA). You could argue that hunting is that same thing, but thats a sh1tty argument. Since most people hunt with a firearm, and they intend to kill the prey, not inflict pain on it. A 'quick kill' is the best kill in hunting, and after all, its what our ancestors did. But thats not the point. And this would be a issue for a whole nother thread

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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I find it funny that CNN would do a follow up article if it was proven to be a hoax. You can believe whatever you'd like, thats your right. But unless you're a Marine yourself and have sat your happy *** in a fighting hole next to another Marine, don't you ****ing tell me I should care more about a puppy killer then a puppy. It goes against everything we're supposed to be doing over there. Protect those that can't protect themselves from people who take pleasure in the act of killing. I love my Corps and at the same time I'm disgraced by this individual. I'm ashamed that he carries the same badge of respect that I once did. You have no idea of the values that were beaten into our heads, day after day. The history of our great Corps and the obligation we each have to uphold it. Regardless of whether or not the video is as it seems or not, he still dishonored my Marine Corps. End of story.

i respect everythign that u do and everything you will be doing for us.. but this disprespect towards others that u are portraying is silly..

what if eric isnt in the marines.? he still serving our country in the airforce.. i dont understand the whole marines are so much more hardcore or better that u seem like u are trying to say.

so i dont understand the disrespect that u are showing to a fellow armed forces member.. to me it seems like u are trying to say that eric doesnt know anything about nothing because he isnt in the marines.... and he might not im not sure.. but the thing is he also could very well seen and know stuff that you have seen and known......


i myself have not dont any of that so i wouldnt know what all goes on. but i do have the most respect for the men and women serving as i have a ton of very good friends that have done tours and that have gone through hell...

army marines coast guard air force etc etc..
Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric the Ricer
God forbid I choose my troops over a dog living in Iraq. Why aren't you crying about the thousands that have been shot/bombed?

Hey lets kick all of the Air Force's pilots out, for placing bombs on innocent animals. Lets boot the Army's tankers while we're at it, too, they should know better than to aim into a place with dogs running around.
You're just simply clueless aren't you? Do you support the Marine pilot who killed twenty skiers on a gondala? Do you support the Navy seaman convicted of raping the japanese women? Just because the person is wearing the uniform of the United States military does not give them a free pass to do whatever they want. In fact, they should be held to a higher standard.
Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaytonaRoadster
Right, i'm sure than dog ran right into that marines hand and he was forced to throw it

Are humans more important than animals? I'd say, conditionaly, yes. Animal testing is important ect. Does that give us the right to extermenate them whenever we see fit for fun? No. And thats just what this d1ckhead did. He killed an animal for fun, something serial killers do as childern.

Thats the difference. I've gone hunting, killed my fair share of deer and duck, but i've never taken pleasure inflicting pain on a DOMESTICATED animal. You could argue that hunting is that same thing, but thats a sh1tty argument. Since most people hunt with a firearm, and they intend to kill the prey, not inflict pain on it. A 'quick kill' is the best kill in hunting, and after all, its what our ancestors did. But thats not the point

Theres no such thing as best kill in hunting. Killing is killing whether it is a painful kill or quick kill, it is the same.
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Originally Posted by .steeeeZ33.
i respect everythign that u do and everything you will be doing for us.. but this disprespect towards others that u are portraying is silly..

what if eric isnt in the marines.? he still serving our country in the airforce.. i dont understand the whole marines are so much more hardcore or better that u seem like u are trying to say.

so i dont understand the disrespect that u are showing to a fellow armed forces member.. to me it seems like u are trying to say that eric doesnt know anything about nothing because he isnt in the marines.... and he might not im not sure.. but the thing is he also could very well seen and know stuff that you have seen and known......


i myself have not dont any of that so i wouldnt know what all goes on. but i do have the most respect for the men and women serving as i have a ton of very good friends that have done tours and that have gone through hell...

army marines coast guard air force etc etc..

I dont think you understand his point.
Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Integrity
You're just simply clueless aren't you? Do you support the Marine pilot who killed twenty skiers on a gondala? Do you support the Navy seaman convicted of raping the japanese women? Just because the person is wearing the uniform of the United States military does not give them a free pass to do whatever they want. In fact, they should be held to a higher
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Originally Posted by 350Ricky
Theres no such thing as best kill in hunting. Killing is killing whether it is a painful kill or quick kill, it is the same.
You could argue that, but if i remember my Constitution, theres a line about "cruel and unusual". So would you say then, killing a mass murder is the same killing as a 4 year old child then? No, you wouldn't thats insane. There is justifiable killing...if you can call it that. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any, but of course, here we are

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Originally Posted by Integrity
You're just simply clueless aren't you? Do you support the Marine pilot who killed twenty skiers on a gondala? Do you support the Navy seaman convicted of raping the japanese women? Just because the person is wearing the uniform of the United States military does not give them a free pass to do whatever they want. In fact, they should be held to a higher standard.
steeez, read plz
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Originally Posted by DaytonaRoadster
You could argue that, but if i remember my Constitution, theres a line about
"cruel and unusual". So would you say then, killing a mass murder is the same killing as a 4 year old child then? No, you wouldn't thats insane. There is justifiable killing...if you can call it that. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any, but of course, here we are

There maybe justifiable killing, but the dog(observed by several other people) is dead already.

So is there justifiable killing to something that is already dead?
Old Jun 12, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by .steeeeZ33.
i respect everythign that u do and everything you will be doing for us.. but this disprespect towards others that u are portraying is silly..

what if eric isnt in the marines.? he still serving our country in the airforce.. i dont understand the whole marines are so much more hardcore or better that u seem like u are trying to say.

so i dont understand the disrespect that u are showing to a fellow armed forces member.. to me it seems like u are trying to say that eric doesnt know anything about nothing because he isnt in the marines.... and he might not im not sure.. but the thing is he also could very well seen and know stuff that you have seen and known......


i myself have not dont any of that so i wouldnt know what all goes on. but i do have the most respect for the men and women serving as i have a ton of very good friends that have done tours and that have gone through hell...

army marines coast guard air force etc etc..
Its simple. You can't understand the Marine mentality unless you are one, or a corpsmen. If I can't explain that without sounding condescending, then words fail me. Marines may be alot of things, but none of us would condone this individual's actions.
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There maybe justifiable killing, but the dog(observed by several other people) is dead already.

You have 100% rock soild proof of this? If you do, call CNN, MSNBC, ect, cause they'd love to talk to you, and i'm pretty sure the Marines would like to know as well, last i heard, it was unknown.

I'd like to think that it was already dead, i really do. I'd like to think that the biological urge in humans to protect the young is present in all of us still. I'd like to say, that if it was already dead, it would somehow be less disgusting.

This is suppostdly his quote from myspace.

"And this is the **** I have to put up with everywhere I've gone today. Believe me I've heard it all. The thing that you guys don't understand is that you're not out there.

What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we're not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn't medicine available for animals out there? So what the **** do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.

Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that. "
I cant say 100% he wrote this, but it was saved from his site, Any US Marine/Army/Air Force stationed in the sandbox want to confirm if what he says is true? Last i heard, they were trying to force soilders to eutheinze several animals on base, because serivcemen had brought them back to take care of them

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Marines may be alot of things, but none of us would condone this individual's actions.
QFT, and no one should, Marine, Air Force, NAVY, Civilian or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Integrity
You're just simply clueless aren't you? Do you support the Marine pilot who killed twenty skiers on a gondala? Do you support the Navy seaman convicted of raping the japanese women? Just because the person is wearing the uniform of the United States military does not give them a free pass to do whatever they want. In fact, they should be held to a higher standard.
I agree that members of the Armed Forces should be held to a higher standard, but why is it the the countless positive acts are tossed aside at one negative thing? I see you brought 2 bad incidents with you, and I'm sure there are plenty more, but this is the point I'm trying to make. Why is it all of you jump at the chance to bash this Marine. If he would have saved the lives of 20 people, and one of us would have posted a thread for him, there wouldn't be nearly as much traffic in here. Stuff like this makes the Armed Forces look bad, no doubt about it. Yes it upsets me that as a brother in arms he acted this way, but it upsets me more that people want him "dead" or "thrown off of a cliff".

If it came down to a Marine "puppy killer", or a desk jockey that's "in between jobs", who would you all choose to have fighting for/with you? I know who I would pick.
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Originally Posted by Integrity
Its simple. You can't understand the Marine mentality unless you are one, or a corpsmen. If I can't explain that without sounding condescending, then words fail me. Marines may be alot of things, but none of us would condone this individual's actions.
Completely understandable. But you being a Marine, know what you/other Marines go through on a daily basis. Does it not bother you that people that rarely have to work their entire lives (including some of the people in the Mid-A) judge so harshly on something they have no experience with?

It is very hard to understand the tone of the typing that is going on in this thread, please don't mistake me for being upset in any way at any of the conversation.
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You have 100% rock soild proof of this? If you do, call CNN, MSNBC, ect, cause they'd love to talk to you, and i'm pretty sure the Marines would like to know as well, last i heard, it was unknown.

I'd like to think that it was already dead, i really do. I'd like to think that the biological urge in humans to protect the young is present in all of us still. I'd like to say, that if it was already dead, it would somehow be less disgusting.

This is suppostdly his quote from myspace

"And this is the **** I have to put up with everywhere I've gone today. Believe me I've heard it all. The thing that you guys don't understand is that you're not out there.

What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we're not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn't medicine available for animals out there? So what the **** do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.

Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that. "

I cant say 100% he wrote this, but it was saved from his site

Like both sides, there are no rock solid proof of anything.

1. Media can be wrong
2. Whos to say that quote in his profile is true.
3. Whos to say dog is really dead.
4. What makes people think that video has been tweeked.


Thats why Im middle. I just played devils advocate cuz I like it.
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. Why is it all of you jump at the chance to bash this Marine. If he would have saved the lives of 20 people, and one of us would have posted a thread for him, there wouldn't be nearly as much traffic in here.
You're not seeing the point. I dont care if he's the reincarnation of Mother Tersa, if he would have saved my life 100 times, he's still an a$$hole for taking pleasure in killing a harmless being that probley wanted only his help.

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. If it came down to a Marine "puppy killer", or a desk jockey that's "in between jobs", who would you all choose to have fighting for/with you? I know who I would pick.
Me too, and psychopathic animal murder would not be my first choice watching my ***.

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All aboard the bash eric for not following the liberal rainbow train!!!!











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Me to, and psychopathic animal murder would not be my first choice watching my ***.


Haha he/she would only shoot at the animals and not at the other side =).
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Originally Posted by Eric the Ricer
I agree that members of the Armed Forces should be held to a higher standard, but why is it the the countless positive acts are tossed aside at one negative thing? I see you brought 2 bad incidents with you, and I'm sure there are plenty more, but this is the point I'm trying to make. Why is it all of you jump at the chance to bash this Marine. If he would have saved the lives of 20 people, and one of us would have posted a thread for him, there wouldn't be nearly as much traffic in here. Stuff like this makes the Armed Forces look bad, no doubt about it. Yes it upsets me that as a brother in arms he acted this way, but it upsets me more that people want him "dead" or "thrown off of a cliff".

If it came down to a Marine "puppy killer", or a desk jockey that's "in between jobs", who would you all choose to have fighting for/with you? I know who I would pick.
I made a thread about a Marine named Brian Chontosh. It got 24 posts in four days, before it died off. You're right about the negative gaining more publicity then the positive. Thats everywhere though, not just the military.



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