D80 > 30D


I had a 30D
there is nothing about i'd pick over the D80.


- 30Ds learning curve is not as easy as the D80 IMO. Menus confused me on the 30D because I had to go into multiple ones just to change one specific setting.
- the LCD screen is supposed to be the same 230k as the D80 yet my shots always looked out of focus and never exposed right. I shot RAW just to save myself the stress.
- the controls are awkward... you have two wheels on the D80.. one by your index finger and thumb.You do not have to move to change your settings. For the 30D you have to make sure it is turned on fully (to the white "on" line) and then when you go to change a setting you smack yourself in the nose cause the gigantic wheel on the back is what you use to change one of your manual settings.
- straight out of the camera... Canons are nowhere near as vivid as nikons or sonys. Even if you use a custom user settings, things become unlife like and over saturated. Again... shoot raw to save the photo.
- 30D is bigger... yes it shoots 5FPS but how often do you need it? The D80 is 3FPS and I have no problem shooting 7-10sec cars... the 5FPS actually made me worse (or maybe I just suck lol).
- no wireless flash is capable with the 30D, you need wireless triggers or a 580EX (about $480) to control other flashes. The D80 and up, can control them from the camera. Even the cheaper SB600 has the ability to be controlled wirelessly. Hell... I like Sony even more because EVERY camera they make can do wireless, from their $500 camera to their $3000 camera.
- no wireless remote. you have to be tethered by a cable release.

the plus with a 30D.

its a bit better with high ISOs... and... thats about it.

 

D80 does not own a 30D.

30D has better build (metal v. plastic), better picture quality at high ISOs, faster shooting capability 5 v. 3 fps. At today's prices, a clear advantage.

Also the Canon interface is much easier to use than Nikons. This has been on many reviews. Nikons can be very hard for someone not use to SLR cameras.

You need a wireless controller to controller any wireless flash from the D80 or the 30D.

Go feel both, the 30D is the better camera by a long shot. The Nikon is a entry consumer based camera not a semi-pro like the 30D is.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/eos30d/...7604323060657/

Need I say more. Do a internet search on Canon 30D vs Nikon D80 and you will see 90% of the info you see favors the 30D over the D80. Canon makes full frame cameras with the option for you to upgrade to one if you have a 30D. Nikon does not support or have this option. And they do not have a camera that matches the performance of the 1D/5D Canon Mark series cameras.

 

The D80 is very durable. Mine has taken many falls (only one was on my part) and it still works perfectly fine. One was recent went face first into the asphalt, shot a wedding the next day.

the 5FPS, fine it can have that but its not even needed specially if the person is NEW to the whole concept of a DSLR.

Reviews reviews reviews. From what I hear and see at work every day, the canons are more confusing. Ask a normal consumer to take a 40D or an XSi... tell them to turn on the live view and watch them squirm. Hand them a D90..or a Sony A350... it's easier just a clearly labeled button or switch.. NO MENUS. I think sony is the EASIEST but thats not even in the debate.

As for wireless. you do NOT need one for the D80.. it is built into the camera using a system nikon refers to as the CLS.... Creative Lighting System. The camera can control as many flashes as you want and control their output all from the camera on 4 different channels and 2 groups. You need the 580EX to do that in Canon land.

D40s and D60s are entry level. Canon does not have a level to match the D80/D90. And however "entry level" you see it... it's still more expandable and versatile than a 30D

And lastly, I do know what a 30D feels like, been there, done that, sold it.

(only pic I have with the three).

I sure do like the 12-24mm I bought withthe money I sold my 30D for though. it's nice!

 

nice edit.

anyways...

do you know who developed the 12k and 25k ISO ranges into a full frame first? Nikon.

18-200mm and 18-135mm lenses? Nikon and Tamron/Sigma. Canon still thinks 28mm is a good kit lens LOL yeah ok whatever.
We could keep going with the pioneers... Olympus...first with live view and now just an under dog. Pentax... first with inbody IS... now just an underdog. Minolta was in those ranks as well, and now they're a part of sony. Only thing Canon fan boys ever rub in anyones face is "OMFG L GLASS" like you cant find better else where. I mean... have you ever even heard of Nano glass, Leica or Zeiss??

As for the support. ALL LENSES ARE SUPPORTED ON NIKON FULL FRAME. If you use a EF-S lens on a 5D or mark series... say good bye to your camera cause it will PHYSICALLY destroy the camera. On a nikon, all DX lenses crop to DX format. That's all.

Every lens will work on the nikons... if you have an old canon SLR... sucks to be you. no FD lenses will work but all old Eseries and fully manual lenses from Nikon work on every single one of their cameras making their selection and user upgrades easier.

Also... how does the D3 not match up to the mark series? For the first full frame cameras Nikon has ever had, I say they did damn well if not better.

 

Any real photographer does not use live view. It was never a option on the professional like of SLR cameras and probably will never be.

And here is where you are wrong. The D40/D60/D80, etc are all entry level cameras that go against the XT,XTi and so on Rebel series.

The Canon 30D,40D,50D, go against the Nikon D200,D400 and so on.

Canon Mark series cameras Nikon does not have anything comparable because they are not that high yet into photography.

That is why I told him to do a search on the net and read what all the Pro photographers have used and many have used both cameras, and still say the 30d is the better camera.

 

I have put a old film EOS lense on my DSLR camera without any problems. 5 year difference in age.

Like I said do your own research and I wouldn't rely on someone that just joined today to post in here.

Okay my bad, forgot they had a D3 now. But they did just come out with it while Canon has had Full Frame cameras much longer and are the prefer choice of the Pros.

 

first off... we're talking about a selection for someone that is NEW into the DSLR category. Who cares what some site with a 'professional' that uses over $10k in equipment says about a entry level camera. Their opinion is skewed.

Live view is an option normal consumers want. Just like a video option. it's all about ease of use and making it feel like what they are used to (a point and shoot).

The D80/D90 still sit in a class of their own. The D40 and D60 compete with the XS and XSi. This is dictated by options and PRICE BRACKETS.

Also.... it took canon 3 cameras to get their "30D" series even decent.. and yet you still cant Auto focus in live view on either rebels or that series. Pointless add on... consumers want ease of use... not having to do something manually.

They do complete with the D200... D300 (not D400) level. Also you could say the D90 is included since the sensor is the same as the D300. If you want to go literal the Sony A700 is in the same bracket since well... they made the sensor for the D90 and D300 anyways.

Pros can talk all they want... but I bet its been a few years since they were a normal consumer with basic needs.

nothing beats hands on experience on a normal level.
5 years isnt old... I am talking about lenses that are 30 years old. People that want to switch over and keep their glass cannot do that with Canon. Unless its a newer AF style lens.

And of course you forgot the D3... its a new horse in this race. Give them a few years. I already know a few professional sports shooters that have black telephoto lenses now... not the gray/white anymore.

To add... I did not join today just to post in here.. I joined cause I was asked to so I could post some pictures from a local meet. kthnx.

I'm curious... what do you do for a living?

 

You really make me laugh because you keep pushing that live view. IF someone wants to get into SLR's they do not need a live view and need to learn to use the viewfinder.

The D80/D90 have plastic bodies and still are a consumer level camera. They are not Semi-Pro line.

I am in the IT field. If you spend that much money, you might as well spend it on a camera that will last and one built to last. The Canon 30D and that series has always been the favored models.

Since you came to post pictures, good, finish posting them and leave. We don't need you here.

 

the original debate was over what camera would be best for someone who is just starting out. You havent really said much but "oh the body is a different material.. its faster.. OMG LOOK AT THE PROFESSIONALS" what about listening to someone that sells these things every day? I'm not a 'nikon fan girl' or whatever. I Own Nikons, Minoltas, and Canons. I also use Sony whenever i get the chance just so I have the experience. Canon has their good cameras and their bad. The 30D was a BAD one and it took them three cameras to get it mostly right (the 50D). Their 5DMark2 is a very nice camera and a nice idea, but I think their video abilities would of been better marketed in the Rebel series like Nikon did for their D90.

if someone is getting into DSLRs it does not mean they wont want live view or any option like that. Times have changed, average consumers are able to afford them. They dont HAVE or even necessarily want to be forced into using the view finder all the time.

Also who said that the D80 wouldnt last? mine is doing pretty well. Same with my D50 that I have passed on. Plastic body or not, it's just fine.

Now you say you work in IT.... I would never argue any thing about your job with you... so why are you arguing my job with me? I've been selling these things since 512 memory cards were the top of the line and DSLRs were out of the question for normal entry level consumers. DSLRs are not JUST for wanna be professionals anymore. They're for everything and everyone, soccer moms, high school students, etc.

I would not sell someone an advanced more complicated camera if they are just starting out. I'd suggest the one that has ease of use and can be expanded easily without being confusing. Something in the middle.

That.. between the two.. is a D80.

If this person was in store... i'd honestly also throw a Sony A300/350 in their view as well. Since that is the one camera out there that most entry level consumers connect with given the options melt a point n shoot with the clarity/quality and feel of a DSLR. And they can spend under $1000 to get it with everything they need.

 

d40 = entry level camera
d80 = enthusiast camera

d80>d40

quality of photo ? heck it depends on who's shooting. not about the camera

end of discussion.