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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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damn chris, those dual SSQV's look so awesome with that INGS Nspec front end.

n00b question here, however. wouldnt you want the BOV's after the intercooler and before the throttle body, or does it really make no difference? i'm very curious about this.
Actually, before or *on* the intercooler is ideal.

The purpose of the BoV is to prevent the throttle plate from closing and causing air to surge back through the compressor blades on the turbo. Having it closer to the compressor outlet allows it to vent air from the intercooler core and retain air in the piping between the intercooler and throttle plate. This means that the compressor has less piping to fill when the car is back in boost, meaning slightly better boost response between shifts.

That's the theory, at least......
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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thats a very interesting explanation craig, thanks for clearing that up with me.

the way i had pictured it in my mind, it seemed most logical ( to me at least) for the BOV to be closer to the throttle butterfly. this way, when the butterfly closes, the charged air has a quick path of escape through the BOV, since it would be so close. however, after thinking about it for a minute or so, your explanation makes more sense
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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the biggest pressure buildup will be between the turbo(s) and the intercooler. my vote (and choice) is weld them right on the end tanks....if you have the option.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadCam
the biggest pressure buildup will be between the turbo(s) and the intercooler. my vote (and choice) is weld them right on the end tanks....if you have the option.
Right, but how many of us are willing to cut into our $800+ intercoolers? That's why I'd prefer to do it right before.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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Best for your turbo= before intercooler(Less compressor surge)
Best for throttle response=after intercooler(More compressed air in system)
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by theking
Best for your turbo= before intercooler(Less compressor surge)
Best for throttle response=after intercooler(More compressed air in system)
I'll agree to disagree on the last part. It's not compressed anymore if you're pushing it out of a BoV. Either way, the response aspect of it is very minute for the most part. First and foremost issue is avoiding compressor surge.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I'll agree to disagree on the last part. It's not compressed anymore if you're pushing it out of a BoV.
If you're worried about damaging a turbo you could always just run 2 BOV's one pre-intercooler one after
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by theking
Best for your turbo= before intercooler(Less compressor surge)
Best for throttle response=after intercooler(More compressed air in system)
this totally contradicts what Craig just posted
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by IntenseFab
If you're worried about damaging a turbo you could always just run 2 BOV's one pre-intercooler one after
hhahah.. why not just make it an even four? That'd be JDM tyte.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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I would definitely rather have a turbo that lasts 20k miles more than slightly better throttle response. That's why NLTS was invented!
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First and foremost issue is avoiding compressor surge.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
hhahah.. why not just make it an even four? That'd be JDM tyte.
In high HP cars we run two BOV's however we tend to run them near the throttle plate. In the end pressure is pressure and once an opening is created pressure will exit out of the path of least resistance.

Once the throttle plate is closed pressure doesen't necessairly reverse direction, however it could stay dormant.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Will you guys STFU?

JK.

Like Andrew said, the best option would be before the turbos and intercooler.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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BOV's before the turbo's?
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JAMEZ
BOV's before the turbo's?
SORRY to add to the confusion. I mean between the turbo and IC.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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lol, i was pretty sure i knew what you meant, i was just being an ***
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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i actually run two BOVs before the turbo on the intake pipes, two on the intercooler on the very top of it, two on the intake manifold, two on the boost solenoid, two on the muffler and two on the rear two injectors...


i get the best throttle response, best injector firing, best intercooler safety ( big in my book ) best turbo intake safety and of course, i can spool up at full boost by 1250 rpms....
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too bad we're not all ballers who can afford to run 12 bov's like you jeremy. only one for me.

1 BOV=Scrub Status
2=low-level pimpin status
12=Baller status
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
i actually run two BOVs before the turbo on the intake pipes, two on the intercooler on the very top of it, two on the intake manifold, two on the boost solenoid, two on the muffler and two on the rear two injectors...


i get the best throttle response, best injector firing, best intercooler safety ( big in my book ) best turbo intake safety and of course, i can spool up at full boost by 1250 rpms....
someone's been hittin' the sauce
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i actually have 6 of them that i put in the back of my car for better traction.



more weight in back = better traction
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JAMEZ
too bad we're not all ballers who can afford to run 12 bov's like you jeremy. only one for me.

1 BOV=Scrub Status
2=low-level pimpin status
12=Baller status
What about one BIG BoV?
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