What size is the stock fuel injector?
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I have searched the forums and googled it, but I can't find the answer.
I even tried looking up replacement stock injectors. Alot of auto parts have them, but no one list the size of the injectors.
I even tried looking up replacement stock injectors. Alot of auto parts have them, but no one list the size of the injectors.
There has been a discussion about this and all I can say is That the Replacement injectors for the Stage 1 TN are 380s and the stage 2 are 510s so obviously they are less than 380 CCs
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that is essentially saying the same thing QuadCam - as you increase fuel pressure, fuel flow (in cc's) increases.
So, at 43.5 psi of pressure, which is the industry standard for rating a fuel injector, they are 290cc, and why I answered as such. The Z, running a returnless fuel system, runs a bit more than that for fuel pressure, and as such, the injectors flow a bit more at the pressure the Z runs. But, they are still 290 cc injectors in actuality (they are just "behaving" like larger ones)
So, at 43.5 psi of pressure, which is the industry standard for rating a fuel injector, they are 290cc, and why I answered as such. The Z, running a returnless fuel system, runs a bit more than that for fuel pressure, and as such, the injectors flow a bit more at the pressure the Z runs. But, they are still 290 cc injectors in actuality (they are just "behaving" like larger ones)
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jul 25, 2006 at 06:51 AM.
One must know the exact density/temperature of the fuel used thru the injector to determine the exact flow rate.
Ethanol is 785 @ 20C whereas gasoline varies around 737 [0.73 grams per cc at 15C.]. Toluene is 862, IsoOctane is 692, O-Xylene is 880. Kg/CM
Density varies about 1.3-1.5 points per 1C change with single components. Why the fuel tank now has a temperature sensor with returnless regulation.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
Ethanol is 785 @ 20C whereas gasoline varies around 737 [0.73 grams per cc at 15C.]. Toluene is 862, IsoOctane is 692, O-Xylene is 880. Kg/CM
Density varies about 1.3-1.5 points per 1C change with single components. Why the fuel tank now has a temperature sensor with returnless regulation.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
Originally Posted by Q45tech
Why the fuel tank now has a temperature sensor with returnless regulation.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
Why? I don't understand what not having a return system has to do with the fuel flow rate varying based on temperature.
Originally Posted by Q45tech
One must know the exact density/temperature of the fuel used thru the injector to determine the exact flow rate.
Ethanol is 785 @ 20C whereas gasoline varies around 737 [0.73 grams per cc at 15C.]. Toluene is 862, IsoOctane is 692, O-Xylene is 880. Kg/CM
Density varies about 1.3-1.5 points per 1C change with single components. Why the fuel tank now has a temperature sensor with returnless regulation.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
Ethanol is 785 @ 20C whereas gasoline varies around 737 [0.73 grams per cc at 15C.]. Toluene is 862, IsoOctane is 692, O-Xylene is 880. Kg/CM
Density varies about 1.3-1.5 points per 1C change with single components. Why the fuel tank now has a temperature sensor with returnless regulation.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_01_fuels.html
The injector can only flow a finite amount of fuel per minute, regardless of temperature, or the octane of the fuel being passed through the injector.
Compare the part #s of the G injector to the Z at the dealer - I'm imagine they are the same, but cannot be 100% sure
The injector can only flow a finite amount of fuel per minute, regardless of temperature, or the octane of the fuel being passed through the injector
Consider E85 vs 10% E vs 100% conventional all are liquid fuels.
You are mistaken, study the density of a liquid flowing thru an orifice.....the friction varies with density, which varies with temperature.
The injector is speced for a liquid of an exact density.............in pounds per hour.
Many people confuse weight and volume............the MAF measures air weight as does ecu so volume [cc] must be converted into weight [grams per second or lbs per hour] to accomplish the AF calculation.
The nominal 10.9 factor used to convert pounds per hour into cc per minute is a made up number that happens to work for one particular density!
A cc is a metric volume standard whereas a pound is a function of local gravity.........where you are on the Earth.
http://www.cbu.edu/~bbbeard/313/Day_04.pdf
Page 4 of above has density graphs for 3 types of gasoline and how the density varies over 30F to 150F
Consider E85 vs 10% E vs 100% conventional all are liquid fuels.
You are mistaken, study the density of a liquid flowing thru an orifice.....the friction varies with density, which varies with temperature.
The injector is speced for a liquid of an exact density.............in pounds per hour.
Many people confuse weight and volume............the MAF measures air weight as does ecu so volume [cc] must be converted into weight [grams per second or lbs per hour] to accomplish the AF calculation.
The nominal 10.9 factor used to convert pounds per hour into cc per minute is a made up number that happens to work for one particular density!
A cc is a metric volume standard whereas a pound is a function of local gravity.........where you are on the Earth.
http://www.cbu.edu/~bbbeard/313/Day_04.pdf
Page 4 of above has density graphs for 3 types of gasoline and how the density varies over 30F to 150F
Last edited by Q45tech; Jan 21, 2007 at 08:23 AM.


