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Old 06-17-2008, 05:22 PM   #41
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:26 PM   #42
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Question?
Regarding the 3.8 for the GTR- is this entirely made in Japan, and isn't the z motor made in the US.( I should look at my owners manual for the Z- I guess)
If the 3.8 can be made here in the US, then wouldn't it be possible to have it in the Z.
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:14 AM   #43
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Regarding the 3.8 for the GTR- is this entirely made in Japan, and isn't the z motor made in the US.( I should look at my owners manual for the Z- I guess)
If the 3.8 can be made here in the US, then wouldn't it be possible to have it in the Z.
The VR (3.8) is not a VQ. They may share the same architecture, but the VR has plasma coated bores and a lot of other things that are not feasable for such a mass produced model like the Z. The VQ is a great engine. And sure, you could bump the displacement with a longer stroke, but would that .1L make a world of difference? You people hoping for a GT-R engine in a Z are dreaming. The reality is that the VR is never going to find it's way into the Z on a nissan production line.
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:30 AM   #44
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Definitely won't see the VR in a production Z Car. As awesome as that would be it would put the Z in a whole different price bracket. Which has never been Nissan's intent.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:30 PM   #45
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i agree with that...and ya im waitin to drop the new M3's V8 into my 06 redline Z...what you think? lol
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:18 PM   #46
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Why can't they just make it 390Z? Screw it, make it a 420Z. Maybe even a 450Z... and so on

950Z?

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Old 06-19-2008, 09:21 PM   #47
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Should call it the 840Z and use the Viper V10.
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Old 06-21-2008, 01:00 AM   #48
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Heck just call it the:

1040Z It will be released during the tax season.
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:41 AM   #49
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they should throw a V8 in that sucker...
and you should look at some gas prices. =]
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:43 AM   #50
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Heck just call it the:

1040Z It will be released during the tax season.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:44 AM   #51
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Even though I have a G I do agree with this statement, however the "luxury" company has always had the either equal or better car. Think about it, Toyota had the Supra however the SC models from lexus were right there with it performance wise. Volkswagon and Porsche... no need to say more on that one.

The company will never let their overpriced cars for pompus people (yes I can at times fall under this catagory) be under par compared to their more common vehicles, again as I said before I wish that they would personally I love the Z's and if it was that much better of a performing car I would have one but until it makes that much of a difference Ill keep my backseat
ever seen what an ls1 camaro with a decent tune can do compared to a c5 vette?
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:08 AM   #52
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ever seen what an ls1 camaro with a decent tune can do compared to a c5 vette?

Or (history lesson for some) the Grand National vs Vette of its day? (no tune needed) he is comparing stock to stock, you are comparing "tune" to stock.

Notice neither the Grand National or the LS1 Camaro are currently being built.

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Old 06-24-2008, 09:25 AM   #53
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If you guys observe the pattern with auto makers, it works like this:
Slowly, year by year, add a feature or two that make the consumers say: "Whoa!, check THAT out!; I want that"! The folowing year, the same, and so on. One of the drawbacks of capitalism, but, all in all, I guess it's O.K.
We DO have the option to buy or not to buy, after all! This principle also applies to most widgets (clothes dryers/washing machines, ACs, wireless technology, etc.) $elf-control i$ crucial to keep 'em from luring u$ into it.
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Old 06-25-2008, 02:46 PM   #54
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I wonder how much HP the VR engine has without the turbos...
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Depending on the compression ratio in which I do not even know what that is at the moment... 8.5 or 9 considering the size of the motor not too much.. With it pushing around 10lbs of boost with small turbos my guess would be around 250 crank hp...??
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I wonder how much HP the VR engine has without the turbos...
Why? That kind of statement reveals a lack of understanding about engine design. No offense.
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Why? That kind of statement reveals a lack of understanding about engine design. No offense.
I'm asking because what if they were to offer the 3.8 in the Z, without the turbos, hence my question.
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I'm asking because what if they were to offer the 3.8 in the Z, without the turbos, hence my question.
And that's my point. The VR is not the VQ. I've posted that before. If there were a 3.8 in the next Z, it wouldn't be VR based. Not only that, the VR is designed from the ground up with turbocharging in mind. If it wasn't, it would have a higher compression ration and various other things different that are specific to the VR engine BECAUSE it's turbocharged. Lopping off the turbos would be terrible.

Beyond that, I've already stated that the VR is not going to be put into high production numbers due to the cost that would add to meet the numbers that Nissan is hoping to sell the Z in.

The VR will not be in the new Z. While a 3.8L VQ would be far more plausible, it's unlikely. Anyone that asks why the VR won't be in it minus the turbos does not understand the market or the engine design principles behind why it's a terrible idea.

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This thread is full of win.

Everyone abandon the failboat! We lost the paddles!! -_-''

Nissan Hachi... Hachi Roku is literally translated to 8-6(Eight Six), it's got nothing to do with it being a GT-S. If I remember right Japland never even had a "GT-S" designation, it was the Apex that hit across the pond.

in.the.dark is 100% correct. Lopping the turbos off of a car with a low compression ratio that was built for boost would be...foolish at best.

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Or (history lesson for some) the Grand National vs Vette of its day? (no tune needed) he is comparing stock to stock, you are comparing "tune" to stock.

Notice neither the Grand National or the LS1 Camaro are currently being built.
My favorite post in this thread. GM dropping the turbo regals was the worst and the best thing they ever did. I say worst because they are some bad *** cars, I should know, there's a 9.30's 87 GN sitting in my garage . Best, because it was known, and widely known, as the corvette killer. Not exactly what you think of when you think Buick, eh?

The LS1 camaro/firebird was one of the biggest mistakes GM ever made, IMO. They were full of fail. The reason the VQ's, and most import motors for that matter, don't respond well to "bolt-on" mods, is because most of their potential has already been wrung from them. Throw a set of headers on a big block chevy v8, instant 30whp. Do the same on an import and you're lucky to find 10-12whp, accompanied by an annoying rasp.

Blah, I'm done typing...it's bed time.

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