If we're going to end it, we should end it with some accurate information, most of which you just posted isn't.

This is why it is SOOOO important that you learn YOUR STATES laws.

In Virginia, you may open carry without any sort of permit, there is no requirement to conceal (and in fact we have a law that says you MUST open carry in any establishment that serves alcohol, if you are carrying concealed, you must unconceal at the door.) If someone can tell that you're carrying, you're not doing a very good job of concealing, but you're not violating any laws as long as the weapon is holstered.

Concealed is defined as "an obvious attempt to hide from clear view." What that means is that if your gun is "printing" through your shirt, even though it's still visible, it's still considered concealed. It's "bad gun manners", but not against the law. "Open carry" is defined as "in clear view, without attempt to cover.

In SOME cases, you may use a weapon on a fleeing felon whom you believe to be dangerous (this is a case law kind of issue). As an example, if you were to get stabbed by someone during the commission of a robbery and the felon (who is obviously dangerous) is fleeing, you may have grounds to use your weapon to prevent the threat to others. There are documented cases of this kind of thing happening with a "happy ending", though I definitely wouldn't want to roll the dice on how a jury might interpret the facts. This would fall under the "fear of death or bodily injury to others" portion of the law.

You are correct that in MOST states, you are not allowed to use deadly force in protection or defense of property. You are also correct that any expression of "shooting out of anger" is the worst thing you can do. The experts say, if you pull the trigger, the first thing you tell the police is that while you intend to fully cooperate with them, you would prefer not to make any statements until you've had a chance to speak with legal counsel.

Except in the most clear-cut cases, shooting someone can be a very costly action.

 

 

THANK YOU! It couldn't have been said better. I carry all the time...loaded .40, have I ever pulled it? Once for some assclown hillbillys trying to run me off the road in Oklahoma...I almost wet myself laughing as he flatspotted his tires trying to stop..He was trying to run me off the road and I was not having it...these clowns I could visibly see chugging outta a half gallon of jack daniels...yeah they were being stupid and I hope they learned thier lesson...every day though if I get flipped off or whatever I am not going to pull my piece and start waving it around. If you shoot first you had better be a good shot because I am an expert marksman, get past my 125LB German sheppard and make it into my house, you will be dodgeing '00 buckshot..Bottom line whether in my truck or in my house if you come looking to hurt me or my family I will shoot your *** dead...and ask questions later...

 

Our concealed-carry class instructor told us

1) Keep your attorney's business card with your carry permit.

2) If you ever shoot someone, call 911 then call the attorney.

3) Be courteous, but do not discuss the shooting with police until your attorney is present.

bill

 

Being that I am active duty military, I do not carry my gun in my car every day. Having a firearm on board while driving through the gates is not permitted. On the weekends, however, I do. Phoenix is one of the WORST places for car jackings. If someone comes up to me with a crowbar or baseball bat trying to take my car, then yeah, I'm going to pull it. But, if that person has a firearm, I am going to calmly get out of my car and let him take it. My car is not worth risking getting shot over, especially if my wife is with me.

 

i carry a pistol and know how and when to use cant get trigger happy oh yeah and i have a permit

 

Now thats disrespect to the nth power. gee this could start something.
no disrepect!

 

i need me one of these
i think best is pepper spray and golf club. i have a custom small iron golf club in my car..

 

I dont like to think that if so **** has the nerve to jack you for your car, why wont he have the nerve to kill you for it. A friend, ex-coworker, and a basketball practice friend of mine was minding his own business at a car wash about 7 years ago. Some two individuals decide to assault him for a Honda Civic. stab and shoot him dead. In my mind, Russ would be a person of reason, although a taller sized individual, slightly intimidating to some, he would have gladly gave up the vehicle and not conducted a fight. Knowing him, I would conclude that he was killed in vein and there are terrible individuals in this society, in every major and otherwise city throughout our county that are true slugs and could not even care to leave you dead for a high or whatever it is they are trying to accomplish by carjacking your vehicle. If I ever have a reason to be out and alone, I would be able to protect myself with a firearm. Even if I decide to give up a car because I could, I would consider surprising that person with a gun of my own. You gotta protect yourself.

I could share more detail in this sad story, Russ lef his 2 twin daughters not yet 1 years old, and his beloved wife. I tried to locate some weblink about it, but only came up with some bill passed about him.

this is what i got hopefully not copyrighted...
ARIZONA:-----re: juvenile issues


The person accused of being the triggerman in the slaying of a Gilbert
man may have been too young when the crime was committed to face the
death penalty.


Authorities 1st believed that Roy Jerry Salinas was 16 when he was
arrested and indicted on a 1st-degree murder charge in the Sept. 7, 1999,
killing of Russell Hamblin at a Chandler carwash.

Russ RIP, I miss you friend.

 

in Louisiana, your car is an extension of your home, so i have a S&W MP .40 in mine. have actually had to pull it once.

If you're gonna have it, and pull it... you better be ready to use it (responsibly)

 

I believe in carrying now. I now know when you carry u have to act like a total wuss. No birdies, easy on the horn, and very polite. The gun only comes out in life or death situations. Not arguments or anything.

Basically if you carry, and someone cusses you out and spits at your girlfriend, you can't pull it out. You better take it off your body and lock it somewhere then come back and fight.

 

I carry concealed for all lawful purposes. I fully intend on living my life never having to brandish my firearm, but you don't carry a weapon unless you are capable and prepared to use it in the proper circumstances.

Leaving a gun in a glove box, is not only illegal (in most states) and not good practice. Your going to leave it in there, probably not clean it, practice with it, or even think of it... thats asking for trouble.

 

Well stated. Welcome to the forum.

 

i have knuckles

 

There's a saying about people who bring a knife to a gunfight.....you bring knuckles?

 

So you're saying you don't have full coverage insurance on your Z? Most people make more than 30K/year that own a Z.

 

Watch this video clip http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...e3396b238a.htm

Now in that video clip the people's car who is getting beat on and stuff, would these people have the right to shoot all of these ignorant morons? By the way this is in Oakland, Calif.

 

In that case, even if you were justified, you'd be crazy to try it. In the mob mentality, they're gonna get you, and they're gonna kill you unless escape is very close at hand and shooting buys you enough time to get to it. While I agree that every last one of those gutter-trash imbeciles should be removed from the gene pool, it doesn't look like there was any bodily harm going on, they were just beating up cars. In my state, defense of property with deadly force is not permitted.

It's a tough call, but I think the logical side of me would say being that outnumbered, having a gun is going to get you killed. You are citing a very extreme situation there though. 99.99% of confrontations aren't like that.

 

In that mob situation your best bet is to drive off and push some of the away. Now if they smashed your window while you're in the car and they're hitting and choking you.....

 

I agree, however how many guns do you think were in that crowd? I'll guarantee you more than one. As soon as the first shot is fired, you're now the guy trapped in the stationary target. It would be a bad situation unless, like I said, you have an very clear escape path. It looks like most of the roads were completely blocked at some point by other abandoned cars. In a situation like that, bodies are not an obstacle, but cars are.