"Top Tier" gasonline
09-03-2005, 09:32 AM
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Read in Car & Driver last month (the August 2005 issue) that certain gas companies manufacture "better" gasolines for your car (Larry Webster's article, p.30).
He said go to www.toptiergas.com to check out the different qualifying gas companies, and around here, we only have Union 76, Shell, and Chevron that are considered "good" gas companies on his list.
Any truth to the claims?
He said go to www.toptiergas.com to check out the different qualifying gas companies, and around here, we only have Union 76, Shell, and Chevron that are considered "good" gas companies on his list.
Any truth to the claims?
09-03-2005, 09:46 AM
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I'm sure there is some difference between qualities of gas but I wouldn't say it's going to be that big of a difference. I stay away from Swifty's and Flying J's and stick with the big names like Shell, BP, and Speedway (not sure which oil company owns these).
09-03-2005, 08:57 PM
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I have heard claims of brand name gas with their crazy addiatives does lead to better gas mileage but I have never tested it myself. I still get gas from kroger...
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09-04-2005, 07:27 AM
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Top tier requires all blends (regular, mid grade and premium) to meet their requirements. The premium gas most of us use in our cars would likely meet the top tier requirements, but the brand may not be considered top tier since the regular and mid grade may not their requirements.
09-04-2005, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv
Car & Driver exists on advertising dollars include money from major oil refineries. Do you think that they might be a little...ummm...biased?
09-05-2005, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv
Car & Driver exists on advertising dollars include money from major oil refineries. Do you think that they might be a little...ummm...biased?
It's all in the website... just click and read...
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09-05-2005, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael-Dallas
Say what? Top Tier Gas was a standard created by GM, Honda, Toyota, and BMW. In order for a gas company to get TTG recognition, the gas must meet or exceed that standard.
It's all in the website... just click and read...
Michael.
It's all in the website... just click and read...
Michael.
Yes, I saw that part and I mentioned the site and study to one of my coworkers. His take on it (his dad worked for an oil company) was that the study is BS. His story was that a bunch of oil companies got together and set a standard for themselves that they already met and then got the car companies to go along with it and 'rubber stamp' it.
All I can say is, take either the study or the opinion w/a grain of a salt.
09-05-2005, 01:03 PM
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I learned about this study from the print version of C&D awhile ago myself.
Yes, I saw that part and I mentioned the site and study to one of my coworkers. His take on it (his dad worked for an oil company) was that the study is BS. His story was that a bunch of oil companies got together and set a standard for themselves that they already met and then got the car companies to go along with it and 'rubber stamp' it.
All I can say is, take either the study or the opinion w/a grain of a salt.
Yes, I saw that part and I mentioned the site and study to one of my coworkers. His take on it (his dad worked for an oil company) was that the study is BS. His story was that a bunch of oil companies got together and set a standard for themselves that they already met and then got the car companies to go along with it and 'rubber stamp' it.
All I can say is, take either the study or the opinion w/a grain of a salt.
Its sort of like “Recommended by the American Dental Association.”
09-05-2005, 03:12 PM
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While all gasolines have to meet minimum EPA standards, most "discount" gasolines do NOT have enough detergent additives to keep an engine running clean. Not to sound like an apologist for the oil or car companies, but the automobile companies were doing a lot of warranty work for screwed-up engines that were just clogged. The "Top Tier" gasolines have enough detergent additives, in the opinion of the car companies, to keep the engines running clean.
Many of the discount brands actually DECREASED the amount of additives they had in their gasoline after the EPA put in minimum standards. And those standards were adopted in 1995, and we all know engine technology has changed a lot since then.
Many of the discount brands actually DECREASED the amount of additives they had in their gasoline after the EPA put in minimum standards. And those standards were adopted in 1995, and we all know engine technology has changed a lot since then.
09-06-2005, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cwerdna
Yes, I saw that part and I mentioned the site and study to one of my coworkers. His take on it (his dad worked for an oil company) was that the study is BS. His story was that a bunch of oil companies got together and set a standard for themselves that they already met and then got the car companies to go along with it and 'rubber stamp' it.
The standards developed by the four automobile manufacturers (BMW, General Motors, Honda, and Toyota) for TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline are described below. This technical document describes the deposit control performance of unleaded gasoline at the retail level that minimizes deposits on fuel injectors, intake valves, and combustion chambers. These standards comprise the requirements for TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.
It states in plain english the standard was developed by those auto manufacturers. To say otherwise is a conspiracy theory.
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09-06-2005, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv
Thanks for the post. “Top Tier” does not tell you who “Top Tier” is, or who funds “Top Tier.” As mentioned, always consider the source, and when the source is not mentioned, ask why?
Michael.
Time to line the ball cap with tin foil...
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