So...Nissan tech's wreck my car...What to do now?
first of all, what year is your car and how many miles.....
i ask because i was in a simalar situation,except i was driving a customer's car and was run off the road by a old lady. she was found at fualt for improper lane change and causing an accident. the srt4 i was driving had 1600 miles on it and i had just installed stage 1. our dealership got a new car for the customer and had the wrecked one fixed (insurance). the wrecked car was sold used after it was fixed......
and by the way..........our z's have no frame, it is a unibody. unless it is all cosmetic i would ask for a new z..........
i ask because i was in a simalar situation,except i was driving a customer's car and was run off the road by a old lady. she was found at fualt for improper lane change and causing an accident. the srt4 i was driving had 1600 miles on it and i had just installed stage 1. our dealership got a new car for the customer and had the wrecked one fixed (insurance). the wrecked car was sold used after it was fixed......
and by the way..........our z's have no frame, it is a unibody. unless it is all cosmetic i would ask for a new z..........
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Well, here's the story: I talked to John, the dealership's General Manager, last Monday and told him that I wanted another Z (new) and I wanted to pick up my payments where I'd left off with my other Z (with $10,xxx left on the NMAC loan) and if we did it other wise (money out of my pocket) I wouldn't be able to afford it, because I really could, but I'm saving for a dp on a house. He said that he'd talk to the Owner of the dealership when he came in on Wednesday and he'd let me know something then... Well, Wednesday came and went and I heard nothing. Then, when Friday rolls around, I go to get in the Titan loaner truck they gave me and when I went to shut the driver's door, it bounces off of the sill like it would if the seatbelt had been left hanging in it. That wasn't the problem....the lock must've been frozen and the door wouldn't latch shut at all.
Anyways, I had to take the Titan back and get a different loaner car (POS Altima 2.5
). When I did that, I stopped in John's office to ask him what was up... He told me that he still hadn't seen the owner and that he'd talk to him that evening and let me know something in a day or two. So, I waited all weekend for them to call me at work or leave me a message at home, but still nothing
Then, this morning I dropped by to pay John a visit and ask again. He told me that he STILL hadn't talked to the owner , but in the 20 years that he'd been the manager, when things like this happen, what they typically will do is this:
They will give me $20,000 market value (for good condition) for my wrecked car. And then, they'll sell me an '06 Z for $26,751 (Invoice for Base of $25,674 + aero pkg of $408 + floor mats of $64 + freight charge of $605). So, anyways that leaves a difference of $6,751 to be added to my NMAC loan. Not bad to switch out into a new car...but that's not the point...I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF MY POCKET!
I reitterated that to John and he said that he'd speak to the owner asap and let me know...I feel like I keep getting the runaround...John is the middleman and I really can't be mad at him because I believe that he really is talking to the owner and the owner's telling him to do this to me...Any ideas? I really don't have the time or energy to take this bs to court...and the thing is, I don't really want to...
I have a business card that I got from the Nissan District 7 Dealer Operation's Manager when I had my transmission looked at, I could call him....
Ohhh ****
What'd I do to deserve this?
_Romeo (<-- Needs a break)
Then, this morning I dropped by to pay John a visit and ask again. He told me that he STILL hadn't talked to the owner , but in the 20 years that he'd been the manager, when things like this happen, what they typically will do is this:
They will give me $20,000 market value (for good condition) for my wrecked car. And then, they'll sell me an '06 Z for $26,751 (Invoice for Base of $25,674 + aero pkg of $408 + floor mats of $64 + freight charge of $605). So, anyways that leaves a difference of $6,751 to be added to my NMAC loan. Not bad to switch out into a new car...but that's not the point...I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF MY POCKET!
I reitterated that to John and he said that he'd speak to the owner asap and let me know...I feel like I keep getting the runaround...John is the middleman and I really can't be mad at him because I believe that he really is talking to the owner and the owner's telling him to do this to me...Any ideas? I really don't have the time or energy to take this bs to court...and the thing is, I don't really want to...
Ohhh ****
What'd I do to deserve this? _Romeo (<-- Needs a break)
Originally Posted by SH1FT-Z
Well, here's the story: I talked to John, the dealership's General Manager, last Monday and told him that I wanted another Z (new) and I wanted to pick up my payments where I'd left off with my other Z (with $10,xxx left on the NMAC loan) and if we did it other wise (money out of my pocket) I wouldn't be able to afford it, because I really could, but I'm saving for a dp on a house. He said that he'd talk to the Owner of the dealership when he came in on Wednesday and he'd let me know something then... Well, Wednesday came and went and I heard nothing. Then, when Friday rolls around, I go to get in the Titan loaner truck they gave me and when I went to shut the driver's door, it bounces off of the sill like it would if the seatbelt had been left hanging in it. That wasn't the problem....the lock must've been frozen and the door wouldn't latch shut at all.
Anyways, I had to take the Titan back and get a different loaner car (POS Altima 2.5
). When I did that, I stopped in John's office to ask him what was up... He told me that he still hadn't seen the owner and that he'd talk to him that evening and let me know something in a day or two. So, I waited all weekend for them to call me at work or leave me a message at home, but still nothing
Then, this morning I dropped by to pay John a visit and ask again. He told me that he STILL hadn't talked to the owner , but in the 20 years that he'd been the manager, when things like this happen, what they typically will do is this:
They will give me $20,000 market value (for good condition) for my wrecked car. And then, they'll sell me an '06 Z for $26,751 (Invoice for Base of $25,674 + aero pkg of $408 + floor mats of $64 + freight charge of $605). So, anyways that leaves a difference of $6,751 to be added to my NMAC loan. Not bad to switch out into a new car...but that's not the point...I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF MY POCKET!
I reitterated that to John and he said that he'd speak to the owner asap and let me know...I feel like I keep getting the runaround...John is the middleman and I really can't be mad at him because I believe that he really is talking to the owner and the owner's telling him to do this to me...Any ideas? I really don't have the time or energy to take this bs to court...and the thing is, I don't really want to...
I have a business card that I got from the Nissan District 7 Dealer Operation's Manager when I had my transmission looked at, I could call him....
Ohhh ****
What'd I do to deserve this?
_Romeo (<-- Needs a break)
Then, this morning I dropped by to pay John a visit and ask again. He told me that he STILL hadn't talked to the owner , but in the 20 years that he'd been the manager, when things like this happen, what they typically will do is this:
They will give me $20,000 market value (for good condition) for my wrecked car. And then, they'll sell me an '06 Z for $26,751 (Invoice for Base of $25,674 + aero pkg of $408 + floor mats of $64 + freight charge of $605). So, anyways that leaves a difference of $6,751 to be added to my NMAC loan. Not bad to switch out into a new car...but that's not the point...I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING EXTRA OUT OF MY POCKET!
I reitterated that to John and he said that he'd speak to the owner asap and let me know...I feel like I keep getting the runaround...John is the middleman and I really can't be mad at him because I believe that he really is talking to the owner and the owner's telling him to do this to me...Any ideas? I really don't have the time or energy to take this bs to court...and the thing is, I don't really want to...
Ohhh ****
What'd I do to deserve this? _Romeo (<-- Needs a break)
My exact prediction of how it would go down. Great deal, if you basically want to chunk up another 6K plus interest.
From a legal standpoint, when someone damages your property, they (or their insurance company) must restore it to the same condition as before they damaged it (i.e. no better and no worse). There is NO legal requirement that they replace your "used" property with "new" property. Therefore, you have exactly two options:
1. They fix your car and maybe you negotiate some additional loss-of-value money.
2. You sell or trade your car (either fixed or as-is) and get a new car. A new car will come with a new car payment.
The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to keep a car that was wrecked and fixed? If you're okay with that, then you can pocket any loss-of-value money in case you have problems down the road or you want to take a nice vacation. If not, then accept the inevitable - that you're going to get a new car - and think about the positive aspects of that. For example, you'll have a new car with little or no miles, a new warranty, maybe new features?, maybe fewer tranny problems, etc.
It sucks that this happened, but life throws you a curve once in a while. The best thing to do is to roll with the punches and try to turn a bad situation into an opportunity.
Good luck to you!
P.S. Just because they offered you $20K doesn't mean you can't still negotiate!
Ask if they'll give you $23K for the old car or 0% interest on the new loan. With a little creativity, you could probably get your new payment somewhere real close to the old one. Or, maybe your payoff moves out a little. Either way, focus on the "newness" of the car.
1. They fix your car and maybe you negotiate some additional loss-of-value money.
2. You sell or trade your car (either fixed or as-is) and get a new car. A new car will come with a new car payment.
The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to keep a car that was wrecked and fixed? If you're okay with that, then you can pocket any loss-of-value money in case you have problems down the road or you want to take a nice vacation. If not, then accept the inevitable - that you're going to get a new car - and think about the positive aspects of that. For example, you'll have a new car with little or no miles, a new warranty, maybe new features?, maybe fewer tranny problems, etc.
It sucks that this happened, but life throws you a curve once in a while. The best thing to do is to roll with the punches and try to turn a bad situation into an opportunity.
Good luck to you!
P.S. Just because they offered you $20K doesn't mean you can't still negotiate!
Ask if they'll give you $23K for the old car or 0% interest on the new loan. With a little creativity, you could probably get your new payment somewhere real close to the old one. Or, maybe your payoff moves out a little. Either way, focus on the "newness" of the car.
Last edited by zedated; Nov 28, 2005 at 04:11 PM.
sounds like they took it for a joyride on downtime....i had a few buddies who use to work for dealerships, even at airports; they would take nice cars for a joyride. obviously, its not joy anymore...good luck.
Originally Posted by SH1FT-Z
Any ideas?
Last edited by davidv; Nov 28, 2005 at 08:56 PM.
Oh dude, that really sux. I can't believe a tech would actually let that happen. I hope u get a new car for this. I really don't know what or what u cant do in this situation, but it doesn't hurt to try to go for a new car. I would seek a lawyer's advice. If u can't, get a quote done at body shop of your choice. Who knows maybe you can get a good shop that will do it for less, and have money left over to do what you want with it. Sorry to hear about ur car man. I'm still in shock to know that this can happen while in service at nissan. I hope everything turns out ok. Let us know what happens. I wish u best of luck with everything.
I posted a response in the other forum.
But he's not asking to replace a old car with a new one, he's asking for the compensation of having his "clean" titled car being wrecked.
The dealer should give him the fair market value of the car which on KBB is 25,500 and change for a 2004 base with 28,000 miles. And then should give him invoice on a new base or other model. This will replace his car and compensate him for the loss of value, and both parties will be happy...with the dealer losing some money since they were at fault.
There's no way I'd want a car that was crashed back from a dealer. By "allowing" him to trade in his car it forced him to lose even more money. Why should he pay $6500 more for a car? He wasn't trading it in he was keeping it.
But he's not asking to replace a old car with a new one, he's asking for the compensation of having his "clean" titled car being wrecked.
The dealer should give him the fair market value of the car which on KBB is 25,500 and change for a 2004 base with 28,000 miles. And then should give him invoice on a new base or other model. This will replace his car and compensate him for the loss of value, and both parties will be happy...with the dealer losing some money since they were at fault.
There's no way I'd want a car that was crashed back from a dealer. By "allowing" him to trade in his car it forced him to lose even more money. Why should he pay $6500 more for a car? He wasn't trading it in he was keeping it.
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
I posted a response in the other forum.
But he's not asking to replace a old car with a new one, he's asking for the compensation of having his "clean" titled car being wrecked.
The dealer should give him the fair market value of the car which on KBB is 25,500 and change for a 2004 base with 28,000 miles. And then should give him invoice on a new base or other model. This will replace his car and compensate him for the loss of value, and both parties will be happy...with the dealer losing some money since they were at fault.
There's no way I'd want a car that was crashed back from a dealer. By "allowing" him to trade in his car it forced him to lose even more money. Why should he pay $6500 more for a car? He wasn't trading it in he was keeping it.
But he's not asking to replace a old car with a new one, he's asking for the compensation of having his "clean" titled car being wrecked.
The dealer should give him the fair market value of the car which on KBB is 25,500 and change for a 2004 base with 28,000 miles. And then should give him invoice on a new base or other model. This will replace his car and compensate him for the loss of value, and both parties will be happy...with the dealer losing some money since they were at fault.
There's no way I'd want a car that was crashed back from a dealer. By "allowing" him to trade in his car it forced him to lose even more money. Why should he pay $6500 more for a car? He wasn't trading it in he was keeping it.
OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson. Enough said....
They are not going to hand you a new Z at your current pay off.
They are not obligated to replace it, just repair it. Legally you have no case, so forcing it to court you will end up with a used Z with an accident on carfax, and your resale will go to hell.
If they are offering you dealer priceing on a new 06 Z, take it. Just make sure they give you full on blue book for your car, AND make sure they discount the holdback on the new car as well. IF they give you grief, just ask why they should make money on the sale.
They are not obligated to replace it, just repair it. Legally you have no case, so forcing it to court you will end up with a used Z with an accident on carfax, and your resale will go to hell.
If they are offering you dealer priceing on a new 06 Z, take it. Just make sure they give you full on blue book for your car, AND make sure they discount the holdback on the new car as well. IF they give you grief, just ask why they should make money on the sale.
Originally Posted by zedated
From a legal standpoint, when someone damages your property, they (or their insurance company) must restore it to the same condition as before they damaged it (i.e. no better and no worse). There is NO legal requirement that they replace your "used" property with "new" property. Therefore, you have exactly two options:
1. They fix your car and maybe you negotiate some additional loss-of-value money.
2. You sell or trade your car (either fixed or as-is) and get a new car. A new car will come with a new car payment.
The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to keep a car that was wrecked and fixed? If you're okay with that, then you can pocket any loss-of-value money in case you have problems down the road or you want to take a nice vacation. If not, then accept the inevitable - that you're going to get a new car - and think about the positive aspects of that. For example, you'll have a new car with little or no miles, a new warranty, maybe new features?, maybe fewer tranny problems, etc.
It sucks that this happened, but life throws you a curve once in a while. The best thing to do is to roll with the punches and try to turn a bad situation into an opportunity.
Good luck to you!
P.S. Just because they offered you $20K doesn't mean you can't still negotiate!
Ask if they'll give you $23K for the old car or 0% interest on the new loan. With a little creativity, you could probably get your new payment somewhere real close to the old one. Or, maybe your payoff moves out a little. Either way, focus on the "newness" of the car. 
1. They fix your car and maybe you negotiate some additional loss-of-value money.
2. You sell or trade your car (either fixed or as-is) and get a new car. A new car will come with a new car payment.
The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to keep a car that was wrecked and fixed? If you're okay with that, then you can pocket any loss-of-value money in case you have problems down the road or you want to take a nice vacation. If not, then accept the inevitable - that you're going to get a new car - and think about the positive aspects of that. For example, you'll have a new car with little or no miles, a new warranty, maybe new features?, maybe fewer tranny problems, etc.
It sucks that this happened, but life throws you a curve once in a while. The best thing to do is to roll with the punches and try to turn a bad situation into an opportunity.
Good luck to you!
P.S. Just because they offered you $20K doesn't mean you can't still negotiate!
Ask if they'll give you $23K for the old car or 0% interest on the new loan. With a little creativity, you could probably get your new payment somewhere real close to the old one. Or, maybe your payoff moves out a little. Either way, focus on the "newness" of the car. 
For what it is worth, I also agree that to get the new Z and negotiate the price.
94SupraTurbo and zedated have good points here.
The dealer should be responsble for all your loss, and they have to make you happy as a customer.
Tell them that you have been talking on internet abou the case, and everybody knows it.
94SupraTurbo and zedated have good points here.
The dealer should be responsble for all your loss, and they have to make you happy as a customer.
Tell them that you have been talking on internet abou the case, and everybody knows it.
Originally Posted by SH1FT-Z
Lol...their insurance better pick up the claim....
Sad thing is....I don't even want my car anymore, it'll never be the same...
Sad thing is....I don't even want my car anymore, it'll never be the same...

i would feel the same way!!! but i dont think you would get a new car.. but its worth a try..
good luck and lets us know what happens...
Originally Posted by nickelsnickels
$2500 is not very much of a repair for a Z in a body shop, but thats not the issue. The dealer's obligation is to have your vehicle repaired and return it to you in an acceptable condition. Granted, you may suffer financially on resale value, but can you prove it, if so you have grounds. I don't know where you can obtain undeniable proof that a repaired car sells less than a accident free car.
Life's a b!#ch that is why they call them accidents.
Some idiot could have just as easily hit your car parked and you would get the same outcome. At least, in this case, you know who whacked your car. Hopefully, they will be kissing your a$$ for some time to come. Free oil changes and all. (If you want.)Personally, this one reason why I bought a Nissan again because they are in the shop a lot less and that means less chance for someone else screwing it up. I hate other people touching my car! I even rotate my tires when I can.
Edit: As far as getting new car and paying the difference. If you do this, try work it out so that there is a difference (high trade in) not a sell and a purchase. You'll save a lot of taxes.
Last edited by Z_Driver; Nov 29, 2005 at 01:45 PM.



